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For instance, when Plummer effectively tackles Portis with his special brand of a screen pass, are you going to blame your line? Portis? How about your receivers?

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I think it's funny that it took Bronco fans about two months to find a stat that actually favors Plummer.

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Taco John

What questions am I ducking? The best you've come up with so far is in the effect of "what will you do when Plummer sucks?"

I guess the answer to that is, probably what you guys have done for the histroy of your franchise...


Why the past 5 years? Why not? Seems like a nice round number...

I asked before... can you honestly say that the Cardinals have made a serious commitment to winning? What I got back... ducking the question... The answer, of course you know... is of course they haven't... Dave McGinnis is the coach now, and Vince Tobin was the coach before that... and Buddy Ryan before that... I can't wait to see who's next... Rich Kotite?

LVCARDFREAK

You wont be able to talk to this guy until he sees Plummers anticts in action for himself. What your not getting Taco is that a lot of people on this board really liked Jake for a number of years. We didnt want to see him fail!

However, after years and years of the same mistakes it gets old. I thought it so funny reading the article where at the goalline Plummer rolls out and instead of throwqing the ball away he steps out of bounds.

Shanahan "You have got to throw the ball away"

Plummer 'i know"

Shanahan "No here.now" (Paraphrasing)

Do you know how many times this was repeated to him dsuring practice. Along with the "You dotn have to score a TD on every play" remark? PLENTY!

When he gets ont he field he either chooses to ignore it or just cant remember to do it!

What you think magically that will sink in in Denver but not in AZ?

I doubt it~

LVCARDFREAK

So your saying because of McGinnis, and Tobin that Plummer had a horrible years in AZ?

I dont get it? He is still the one forcing the ball, throwing int's, etc etc.

I dont know why you think Shanahan can do anything for this guy. It has been 6 years and he just doesnt get it. Whats funny is that because Shanahan is such an ego maniac he will refuse to bench Plummer once he realizes what a mistake he has made!!! Should be fun to watch! hahahaha

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Jake's biggest problems (little girly hands, lack of arm stregnth, inability to read defenses before the snap, inability to read the entire field after the snap and on-field decision making) have nothing to do with what team he's on.

Your thougths?

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Russ Smith

I've asked you several questions, you haven't answered one.

You ignored my asking if you considered the context of those stats and that ANY QB would look good if you just pull out the good numbers.

You ignored my comment about how Denver only went 9-7 but outrushed their opponent 12 times(griese I guess).

you ignored everyone pointing out the Dillon comment was dumb, the Pittman comment was dumberer.

you've avoided Section 11's questions 25 times now.

I asked this question on the Freakboard and I'll ask you. The Cards coached Jake for 6 years, 84 games, countless practices and they decided they couldn't win with him and let him go.

Isn't it a just a teeny bit hard to believe that a guy who had NEVER coached Jake Plummer, Mike Shanahan, knew more about him than the Cards did? Especially that we now know that Shanahan wanted Kurt Warner, not jake Plummer, but when he found out Warner wasn't going to be released he went to plan B.

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Taco John

No. I'm saying that the Cardinals as an organization don't have a commitment to winning...

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I think Trestman suggesting that Plummer be left exposed for the expansion draft is a commitment to winning.
Poor guy. Got all Plummered up.

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Russ Smith

So they wanted to lose?

I agree the Bidwills have not been that smart. But if you think that's the problem with jake you're delusional, the ONE guy who got his money and good treatment in arizona was Jake. They were too nice to him not benching him earlier, but jake is the one player who didn't have to deal with tough contract negotiations, holdouts and all the nonsense while he was here.

They gave him the keys to the boat and he sank it. So they bought him a bigger boat and he sank that too. Now Denver gave him a shiny new boat.

In fairness Shanny was smart enough to visit Beuerlein and beg him to not retire.

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Didn't they give Denver's savior the biggest signing bonus in the history of the league (at the time)?

Strange. Sounds ironic, given that lack of commitment.

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Taco John

Holy cow! You're keeping score on every single insignificant point?

How many of Plummer's interceptions last year came when your team was down by two touchdowns or more?

No... It's not hard to believe that Mike Shanahan knows more about coaching than anyone in the Cardinals organization...

Taco John

Didn't say that... Just said they don't care about winning...

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I think a commitment to winning is getting a primo free agent like Plummer to come to Denver, then signing him to a big contract structured for an easy release after two years.

That's not only commitment, that's confidence.

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LVCARDFREAK

So know matter that the Cardinals coaching staff has said the exact same things to Plummer that Shanahan has been saying, somehow his voice and diction will make Plummer understand?

Talk about a homer!!!