Taco John

So what's the answer then? yes we had a cery consistent offensive line, or no we didn't have a very consistent offensive line?


Was your offensive line closer to what Rich Gannon or Trent Green had last year (two of the best in the game), or was it closer to what Dallas had last year (I'm sure it was the fault of whoever was holding the ball too long behind that seive).


So yes or no?

Krangthebrain

LOOK AT THE FREAKING STATS THAT RUSS POSTED!

GOD YOU ARE DENSE, CAN YOU READ?

I'm sorry to explode, but I posted the stats.

We built a pretty good offensive line for Jake, and even that didn't help. Last year we gave up LESS sacks than the Broncos with only 1 guy starting every game. Despite what DC said, we constantly faced 8 man fronts.

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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.

Taco John

I think you'd have to be pretty ignorant of the game to think that any quarterback doesn't need great protection to be consistent/productive...


But maybe that's just me...

Krangthebrain

Question for you Mr. Taco.

Could it be that Jake is responsible for his OWN mistakes?

I mean, I didn't see our offensive line, RBs, WRs, etc. throwing 20 picks last year, and fumbling the ball many times.

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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.

Taco John

I asked a pretty specific question... I'm getting nothing but dodge...

Yes or No... yes we had a very consistent offensive line, or no we didn't have a very consistent offensive line?

I've heard that only two of your five offensive guys last year played the entire season in the same spot... I've also heard that isn't such an uncommon story year after year for the Cards...


I don't want your hollow stats. I want a yes or no answer to my question... Yes we've had a very consistent offensive line, or no we didn't have a very consistent offensive line?

Wild Card

TJ:

No, the Cardinals didn't have a consistent offensive line last year.

No, it wasn't close to the Chiefs and Raiders in terms of pass protection (#8 and tied for #15 in sacks allowed, with 26 and 36, respectively). However, with 41 sacks allowed, the Cardinals did rank higher, at #21, than the Broncos did, with 46, at #27.

Any other questions?

WC

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azdad1978

R u still here?

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Krangthebrain

DO YOU READ!!!!!!???????

No, not 2 started the entire season, 1 did! But Jake sucked the worst last year when MOST of our starters were playing. And that WASN'T normal. The only Cards fan you talk too, is one of the most clueless fans out there (DCCardsfan).

Our offensive line was very consistent at times, look at the freaking stats Russ posted.

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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.

Taco John

Yes. Every quarterback makes mistakes. But football is a game of probability. The probability of your quarterback making mistakes raises significantly when the guys in front of him aren't doing their jobs. There is a significant cause and effect relationship involved, because it's a team sport...

Krangthebrain

You said that Pittman had a great year last year, we showed how wrong you were....Why have you dodged that?

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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.

Krangthebrain

And the probability increases significantly when your QB throws picks directly to defenders.

Believe what you want Taco. You can choose to be a clueless Broncos homer, or you can open your eyes and see that Plummer wasn't part of the solution, he was part of the problem.

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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.

azdad1978

Is it a team sport when he throws INT or fumble the snap? Is it a team sport when he does a behind the back throw? How about having a happy feet in the pocket? Or looking at one receiver the whole time? Or how about ignoring his TE when he's jumping up and down the endzone? Dude you better come back here when he' making all those dumb ass mistake cause you need to eat crow.

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The last half of last year, the line wasn't consistent with all the injuries. The first half of 2002 it was consistent. In 2001, the line was consistent. In 2000 it was improved, but still needed work.

Over those years, it hasn't really had an affect on Jake's play.
The reasons are obvious. He's not accurate, he doesn't have an NFL arm, he has trouble reading defenses, and he makes poor decisions, whether he's under duress or not.

Jake's problems are internal, not external.

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The point of my post was to show you that OL's are often unfairly judged based on who is the QB. Marino made the Dolphin OL look great, the year he got hurt and Damon Huard started, Huard got sacked more in one game than marino did in some seasons.

I read a Lion preview 2 days ago that said the Lions "fixed" their OL problem last year. Of course they did, they replaced scrambler McMahon, with knows when to get rid of the ball Harrington. Harrington was the toughest QB in the NFL to sack last year, McMahon was the 2nd easiest QB in the NFL to sack his rookie year. It wasn't the OL it was the QB.

the ONE area Jake consistently improved at in the NFL was dealing with pass rush, he held it way too long his first 2 years, but he learned not to. Unfortunately he'd too often throw it into coverage instead of away when the rush got there, but he DID learn to avoid sacks.

using last year to make any judgements is silly it was an anomaly, Jake didn't play 6 years with his top 3 WR's out and 3/5 of his OL hurt, he played like 6 games in that situation last year.

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arthurracoon

Taco, you obviously have not watched Jake. He can be very good and very bad. He will get booed out of Denver. Have you seen his mistakes?

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