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Originally posted by CardLogic This question is immpossible to answer. There is no objective way to compare RB's on different quality teams from different eras, etc. So it all comes down to opinion!
Just to throw my hat in the ring.... Jim Brown
There really isn't even a question about who is the best of all time. It is clearly Jim Brown. When Jim Brown played the NFL had a 12 game season. Brown played fewer seasons and even fewer games.
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Jim Brown was a superb craftsman whose primary job was to run with the football for the Cleveland Browns. For nine seasons, he did it better than any player before him. When he retired at the age of 30 at the peak of his career, he left behind a record book clogged with Jim Brown notations.
Brown was more than just a one-of-a-kind running back. He caught passes, returned kickoffs, and even threw three touchdown passes. His 12,312 rushing yards and 15,459 combined net yards put him in a then-class by himself. Jim was a unanimous first-team All-NFL pick eight times, 1957 through 1961, 1963-1965. He played in nine Pro Bowls in nine years and was the game’s outstanding back three times. He closed out his career with a three-touchdown outburst in the 1966 Pro Bowl.
Brown was unanimously named the Rookie of the Year in 1957. He was recognized that season as the NFL’s Most Valuable Player by many media organizations. In all, he earned league MVP honors four times (1957, 1958, 1963, and 1965). At Syracuse University, Brown was All-America in both football and lacrosse and a letterman in basketball. Jim selected football as his career sport, however, and thus became the Cleveland Browns' number 1 draft pick in 1957. Even though coach Paul Brown was traditionally reluctant to use rookies as regulars, Jim Brown was a regular and a star from day one.
In the summer of 1966, Jim stunned the sports world with his announcement that he was retiring. Fans still ponder what heights he might have reached had he stayed on the firing line a few more seasons. As exceptional as Brown's statistics were, his durability may have been even more amazing. Despite a constant pounding from defenses always stacked against him personally, he never missed a game in nine years.
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That's not even mentioning the fact that the 4-3 defense was specifically designed by Tom Landry of the Giants to stop Jim Brown, he was that dominate.
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I'll put my two cents in. I can't really speak for Jim Brown he played in a different era and I never got to see him play. My vote goes for Emmit. Its a not true that Barry played for substandard lines. He played behind some pro bowlers. Glover at center and a left tackle(his names escapes me at this time). You may think that because he got caught behind the line so many times. That was just his running style. He danced and juked behind the line of scrimmage looking for his running lane, instead of pounding the ball into the hole like Emmit did.
What makes Emmit a better RB was the fact he was a true team player. His team came first, Barry was always a me first kinda guy. He never came to voluntary camps, often held out seeking more money, and never cared about gaining more yards. It may not of meant much to him but it meant alot to the team, especially his lineman. In the last game of the season one time he was only a few yards away from the rushing title, held at the time by Christian Okoya. He refused to go back into the game in the fourth quarter, costing his lineman $$$ for the bonus they would of received if they had blocked for the NFL rushing leader that year. Barry quit on his team on the eve of the NFL season costing the team a horrible year because they haven't even looked for a replacement RB. When he quit he still expected the Lions to keep paying him, and sued the team when they failed to do so. He lost and still harbors bad feelings toward the organization. Fans in Michigan have a love/hate relationship with Barry and frankly I don't care if he falls of the face of the earth.
Emmit has my vote and hope he pads his stats so it takes a very long time until anyone is able to catch up to him.
Originally posted by Arvos I'll put my two cents in. I can't really speak for Jim Brown he played in a different era and I never got to see him play. My vote goes for Emmit. Its a not true that Barry played for substandard lines. He played behind some pro bowlers. Glover at center and a left tackle(his names escapes me at this time). You may think that because he got caught behind the line so many times. That was just his running style. He danced and juked behind the line of scrimmage looking for his running lane, instead of pounding the ball into the hole like Emmit did.
What makes Emmit a better RB was the fact he was a true team player. His team came first, Barry was always a me first kinda guy. He never came to voluntary camps, often held out seeking more money, and never cared about gaining more yards. It may not of meant much to him but it meant alot to the team, especially his lineman. In the last game of the season one time he was only a few yards away from the rushing title, held at the time by Christian Okoya. He refused to go back into the game in the fourth quarter, costing his lineman $$$ for the bonus they would of received if they had blocked for the NFL rushing leader that year. Barry quit on his team on the eve of the NFL season costing the team a horrible year because they haven't even looked for a replacement RB. When he quit he still expected the Lions to keep paying him, and sued the team when they failed to do so. He lost and still harbors bad feelings toward the organization. Fans in Michigan have a love/hate relationship with Barry and frankly I don't care if he falls of the face of the earth.
Emmit has my vote and hope he pads his stats so it takes a very long time until anyone is able to catch up to him.
Exactly! The Lions were actually very critical of Barry's running style. His last season, he led the league in getting tackled behind the line of scrimmage due to his backfield dance routine. The Lions asked him to change that in the offseason, but of course he didn't because it was his last.
Barry was always looking for the big gain while Emmitt was looking for the consistent gain. Barry was looking for the big gain, and more often than not, that leads to stalled drives.
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I'm voting for Barry Sanders - if you let him run behind the Cowboys line that Emmitt had the luxury of being behind, he would have some rather untouchable yardage marks.
Now that Emmitt's on an average team - we'll see what he does behind this O-Line. I bet he doesn't get 1,000 yards rushing this season.
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Originally posted by FischerKing I'm voting for Barry Sanders - if you let him run behind the Cowboys line that Emmitt had the luxury of being behind, he would have some rather untouchable yardage marks.
Now that Emmitt's on an average team - we'll see what he does behind this O-Line. I bet he doesn't get 1,000 yards rushing this season.
Shawn
Yeah but give Emmitt 3 (or 2) receivers that Barry had to stretch the field, and Emmitt would have had more room to run.
And that's flat out assinine that you say "Now that Emmitt's on an average team..." because the Cowboys have been worse than us the past couple of years.
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain And that's flat out assinine that you say "Now that Emmitt's on an average team..." because the Cowboys have been worse than us the past couple of years.
Assinine, Assiten, whatever...point is Emmitt still won't hit the 1k mark this season.
There are several backs that I'd take over Emmitt. I think he's soft, he's a better actor than a RB and he's here only to tell tickets.
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I can only compare Sanders and Emmitt (haven't seen Payton or Brown play), but I would have to say Emmitt. Sanders would lose yardage too often and put the offense in a predictable situation. Emmitt always seemed to move forward and somehow manage to get first downs. Plus, he didn't quit on his team.
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Originally posted by FischerKing Assinine, Assiten, whatever...point is Emmitt still won't hit the 1k mark this season.
There are several backs that I'd take over Emmitt. I think he's soft, he's a better actor than a RB and he's here only to tell tickets.
Shawn
Oh come on, how can you call the NFL's all time leading rusher soft? Emmitt is tough as nails.
But I agree I don't think he will get 1,000.....he'll get 700, with Shipp gaining 1,000
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Originally posted by maddogkf I'd say Payton. Emmitt had a supporting cast around & arguably the best line in the NFL.
Paytom was a lone wolf & had a good cast for 2-3 years.
However, I think if Bo Jackson would've stayed healthy, he would've been the greatest.
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Agreed!
Bo Jackson was a freak of nature.
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In terms of elusiveness, there is no doubt that Barry Sanders would win that competition. However, in terms of best overall combination of skills, it would have to go, Jim Brown, Walter Payton, then Emmitt. Emmitt has had a fabulous career, but the combination of power and speed that Jim Brown exhibited transcended his sport. When Jim Brown was playing, he truely was a man among boys, and had no peers. Watching old clips of Brown run are amazing, he looks like that overdeveloped kid in the pop warner leagues, absolutely dominating.
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Anyone who says that Barry didnt play on teams with substandard O-lines is either to young to remember watching those teams or there just talking out there azz! SORRY GUYS!
Yes he played with 2 pro bowlers. So whats the point? Im sorry but if 3/5 of an O-line has little to no talent the whole line will break down which it did very often in Detriot! Barry was nailed in the back field as he was handed the ball more than any RB I have ever seen play and much of it had nothing to do with his dancing style. He was hit so many times before he even had a chance to dance!
Emmitt played behind a line that had what 3 or 4 out of 5 make the Pro-Bowl???? If Im not mistake at one point or another???? With the other one or two also very solid players at that???
Barry was also a better Power runner than Emmitt when given the chance! For some unknown reason Wayne Fonts would always pull Barry at the goal line. Which made zero sense!
Krang,
Dallas pass offense was a very good one and benefitted Emmitt much more than you are making it out! With Michael Irvin and the freaking TE whos name escapes me and several adequate #2 WRs obver the years and the most accurate QB for years in Troy Aikman teams could not key in on Emmitt either!
The guy was an animal and would get it in the endzone!
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