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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:06 PM   #1
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Niners Vs. Arizona by position


Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)

Our TE is the best

Our DBS are better

Your WR is one of the best

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:11 PM   #2
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Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)

Our TE is the best

Our DBS are better

Your WR is one of the best

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.

You do your name justice troll!
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:14 PM   #3
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Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)

Our TE is the best

Our DBS are better

Your WR is one of the best

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.
Congratulations, you failed to distance yourself from Blowhard.
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I'm glad you believe that...because you will be completely bewildered at the end of the season when the Cards raise yet another NFC West banner. Glad you are "better" at all those positions (in your opinion), but the Cards are still the best team in the division and they will show it AGAIN.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:21 PM   #5
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Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)

Our TE is the best

Our DBS are better

Your WR is one of the best

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.
Come back after you go 16 and 0 and we'll talk about it.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:24 PM   #6
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:27 PM   #7
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I'm glad you believe that...because you will be completely bewildered at the end of the season when the Cards raise yet another NFC West banner. Glad you are "better" at all those positions (in your opinion), but the Cards are still the best team in the division and they will show it AGAIN.
But ya couldnt beat us though! And we didnt lose anyone this offseason....can uh you say that??
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Congratulations, you failed to distance yourself from Blowhard.
Im talking football....what are you talking about?
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Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.

Our RBs are far better
Wells & Hightower > Gore


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D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)
With our pickup of Williams at NT, alongside Dockett and Campbell - a case can be made that this is a push.

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Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)
Huh? You're considering rookies who have never played a down in the NFL into this equation?? LMAO...

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Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)
No argument here...

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Our TE is the best
No arguement here either...

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Our DBS are better
Your Free Safety is better. Our Strong Safety is better. And the CB's are a split as Cromartie is better than anyone you have...

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Your WR is one of the best
Yup... and, we have Breaston who until Crabtree proves otherwise, Stevie is better than anyone the 9ers currently put on the field at WR.

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....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.
QB is a total toss-up. Matty is purely unproven. This is his year. Make or break. Smith has shown signs that he can be decent, however, he has more often shown signs that he is nothing more than craptastic...
And trust me, the Cheerleaders aren't even debatable... come to a game and you'll see what I mean.

The reality is that last season, there really wasn't much seperation between the 9ers and Cards. You guys did beat us twice... Warner is the reason we made won the division and now that he's gone, the Cards will have a huge amount of pressure to prove they can win witout Kurt. Talent wise it's there. However, it remains to be seen if Leinart can rise to the challenge and lead the team to a 3rd consecutive post season birth...
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:39 PM   #10
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Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there)

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders)

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.)

Our TE is the best

Our DBS are better

Your WR is one of the best

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter.
Wow! Quality analysis here!

So you think Issac Sopaga, Aubrayo Franklin, and Justin Smith are better than Calais Campbell, Dan Williams (probably), and Darnell Dockett? I don't at all, and our scheme is different anyway even though we play a different scheme anyway. Our lineman get a lot more pressure and SF's linemen are possibly better run defenders.

Your Oline MAY be better, but it hasn't proven anything so far. So from last year's team we had a better line. Iupati and Davis are probably more likely to be busts than great players and I think 9er's fans have already made busts for Canton

DBs better? You're kidding right? We have THREE PRO BOWLERS IN OUR secondary! DRC is better than any defender on your defense NOT named Patrick Willis. Kerry Rhodes and Wilson are both Pro Bowl players, though neither of are complete players.

Yeah your LBs are better but we have lots of young talent that just hasn't proved themselves yet.

Runningback....while Gore has been a very good player, we have more proven depth and Gore has multiple knee injuries and has carried your offense for years. Plus Beanie Wells is ready to explode! The kid is going to be really good (he was last year in limited carries) and he's worked his ass off this offseason. Tim Hightower is better than your backup, Glenn Coffee based on actually data (which Coffee has next to nothing).

Wide receiver? We have much better wide receivers. Crabtree would be a #2 on our team, and that isn't even guaranteed. Fitz, Breaston, Doucet, and now Roberts will continue to be an amazing corps with a nice blend of size and speed.
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At least this thread didn't start with, "We use to have Montana and Rice, so we will always be better".
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Old April 27th, 2010, 09:57 PM   #12
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With our pickup of Williams at NT, alongside Dockett and Campbell - a case can be made that this is a push.



Huh? You're considering rookies who have never played a down in the NFL into this equation?? LMAO...



No argument here...



No arguement here either...



Your Free Safety is better. Our Strong Safety is better. And the CB's are a split as Cromartie is better than anyone you have...



Yup... and, we have Breaston who until Crabtree proves otherwise, Stevie is better than anyone the 9ers currently put on the field at WR.



QB is a total toss-up. Matty is purely unproven. This is his year. Make or break. Smith has shown signs that he can be decent, however, he has more often shown signs that he is nothing more than craptastic...
And trust me, the Cheerleaders aren't even debatable... come to a game and you'll see what I mean.

The reality is that last season, there really wasn't much seperation between the 9ers and Cards. You guys did beat us twice... Warner is the reason we made won the division and now that he's gone, the Cards will have a huge amount of pressure to prove they can win witout Kurt. Talent wise it's there. However, it remains to be seen if Leinart can rise to the challenge and lead the team to a 3rd consecutive post season birth...
I just gotta say that was an awesome assement of your team. Seriously, kudos for the no bull totally realistic breakdown.

But of course I need to argue one or two points.

your first point is Im sorry to say is almost laughable.

Gore is a perennial probowler and fantasy stud with the stats to prove it he avgerages 5 yrds a carry.

Second point-isnt it kind of hypocritical of you to laugh at me for using rookies in the equation when you did the same thing regarding D. Williams.

However you are right, ...additionaly the point is moot because without the additions ya'll would have a better O line and us a better D line, so what ever.

Ill wrap it up by saying that Crabtree has proven he'll be good. If you watched him play you would see it to. But I digress because hes proven it in only half a season. So you win there and your last points are spot on IMO.
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I'll give you that they're getting better, but they're lacking in a couple of key areas that you conveniently forget to mention below in your comparisons--coaching and QB--and it all starts there. You can have all the talent in the world, but if they're not in the right place at the right time, you're f'd.

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Other than Fitzergerald I dont think that ya'll have any players that are better by position.
Our RBs are far better - Gore is better than Beanie (for now), but how many games will he play? I don't think this one is as big of a difference as you make it out to be.

D-line is better (Im sure youll argue this one but the stats are there) - I will argue this one. I think you're flat out wrong. If Williams pans out, he, DD and CC will be a force in the trenches. Even without a true NT last year, that line provided much of the Cardinals' pass rush, which is somewhat unusual in a 3-4 D.

Our O-line should now be much better. ( 4 first rounders) - It should be, but that likely won't come to fruition this year. OL is not a position where rookies thrive. I liked your draft, though. The Cards should be somewhat solid along the OL again.

Our LBS are far better with the best MLB in the league( see P.willy and Co.) - I agree.

Our TE is the best - lol. He became pretty good last year, but I think it's rare that a TE can be a game changer. He's no Clark, yet.

Our DBS are better - I think the Cards have better top-line talent. I'd take Wilson, Rhodes and DRC over your best 3, but admittedly, that 2nd and nickle CB spots are shaky at best for us (fortunately, they can neutralize Crabtree and Davis leaving SF with...not much in the way of receivers)

Your WR is one of the best - Which wouldn't mean a lot if Breaston wasn't also pretty good. I'd like to think Early doucett would keep getting better, too, but we'll see.

....everything so far has been fact now all you could argure is who has the better QB and whose cheerleaders are hotter. - As far as QBs go, I know Matt Leinart's prowess can be debated, but I think he's going to be a lot better than people give him credit for. But for the sake of this discussion I'm willing to call it a push.
And, bottom line is that if the Niners can't get up for more than the Cardinals games, then they're going to miss the playoffs again. We all have basically the same schedule and the Cards simply beat more teams than the Niners do.
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I thought we were talking about actual football?
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Wow! Quality analysis here!

So you think Issac Sopaga, Aubrayo Franklin, and Justin Smith are better than Calais Campbell, Dan Williams (probably), and Darnell Dockett? I don't at all, and our scheme is different anyway even though we play a different scheme anyway. Our lineman get a lot more pressure and SF's linemen are possibly better run defenders.

Your Oline MAY be better, but it hasn't proven anything so far. So from last year's team we had a better line. Iupati and Davis are probably more likely to be busts than great players and I think 9er's fans have already made busts for Canton

DBs better? You're kidding right? We have THREE PRO BOWLERS IN OUR secondary! DRC is better than any defender on your defense NOT named Patrick Willis. Kerry Rhodes and Wilson are both Pro Bowl players, though neither of are complete players.

Yeah your LBs are better but we have lots of young talent that just hasn't proved themselves yet.

Runningback....while Gore has been a very good player, we have more proven depth and Gore has multiple knee injuries and has carried your offense for years. Plus Beanie Wells is ready to explode! The kid is going to be really good (he was last year in limited carries) and he's worked his ass off this offseason. Tim Hightower is better than your backup, Glenn Coffee based on actually data (which Coffee has next to nothing).

Wide receiver? We have much better wide receivers. Crabtree would be a #2 on our team, and that isn't even guaranteed. Fitz, Breaston, Doucet, and now Roberts will continue to be an amazing corps with a nice blend of size and speed.
I appreciate the optimism but IM speaking not about whose ready or what could happen or if this guy was here. Im speaking straight up whose better now TODAY. Save your injuries and the so and so is ready to explode stuff for a pep rally.

Justin smith- Hands down widely considered the best 3-4 D lineman in the game. Go look at his pressures and his player ranking. He has a tremendous motor and great size. Plus better stats than campbell

Abroyo Franklin has one job. Eat blocks. He does it all game. Which is a big reason our MLBs are able to run free and why our team as a whole tied for 3rd in sacks.

Gore is a top 5 running back on everybodies fantasy board.....but no your right your backups better.
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