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Losing Gilbert for the year...AND Westbrook, whom I thought was quite a decent pickup for them although I don't know how he was doing in camp. That is a big blow and a lesser blow. Gilbert would have made Barnett's job much easier on early downs.
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Huge loss. Oh well. We can’t feel sorry for ourselves. Have to move on. Early in the season last year before the Patriots game we had like 6 starters out on defense when the Patriots offense was still playing hot. I thought there was no way we’d win that game in Foxboro, but we blew them out. Coach Sherman had a great quote that week before the game when he said:
“Instead of looking for excuses to lose, let’s find reasons to win!”
It looks like we’ll have to use that motto a lot again this year with the injuries already. We have some depth at a few positions, but nose tackle is our weakest position, and the D-Line overall is kind of shaky.
The team overall hasn’t played that great yet, offense or defense. The good news out of Green Bay today though is for the first time in practice Clifton, Tauschar, Driver, Ferguson, and Walls all played together today and that they looked sharp. I guess Shermann pulled the team together during practice to call a meeting and they looked very crisp afterwards.
A few weeks ago at the stockholders meeting Sherman said good teams win football games, and great teams win championships. Right now they aren’t even a good team, but I’m eager to see them on CBS this Friday with all the offensive pieces back together. I think the game is nationally televised. Sherman has always said the people of Green Bay expect and deserve championships. I don’t see much of a realistic chance of that happening this year, but they will still strive for it even without Gilbert. That’s always their goal since Bob Harlan has taken control of the team. Come on Brett! We need you to score 35 points a game for us this year!
The Packers window of opportunity is closing rapidly. The best GM in football, Ron Wolf, resurrected the Pack from mediocrity with his bold raids to get Reggie White and Brett Favre.
Wolf is gone. White is praying somewhere. And Favre is rapidly becomming just another ageing QB.
Just like during the Pack's 17 year streak of mediocrity in the 70's and 80's, free agents are beginning to avoid Green Bay.
The Green Bay run of success may even end this year. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pack's record was 8-8 or worse, with a 3rd place finish in the division.
I despise the Packers but I really did admire Ron Wolf. The guy did the impossible.
Then the team screwed over the best fan base in football by charging PSLs for seats in the refurbished stadium.
I hope Green Bay returns to comfortable mediocrity quickly.
Originally posted by Skkorpion The Packers window of opportunity is closing rapidly. The best GM in football, Ron Wolf, resurrected the Pack from mediocrity with his bold raids to get Reggie White and Brett Favre.
Wolf is gone. White is praying somewhere. And Favre is rapidly becomming just another ageing QB.
Just like during the Pack's 17 year streak of mediocrity in the 70's and 80's, free agents are beginning to avoid Green Bay.
The Green Bay run of success may even end this year. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pack's record was 8-8 or worse, with a 3rd place finish in the division.
I despise the Packers but I really did admire Ron Wolf. The guy did the impossible.
Then the team screwed over the best fan base in football by charging PSLs for seats in the refurbished stadium.
I hope Green Bay returns to comfortable mediocrity quickly.
Bob Harlan the CEO was the key to turning around the Packers. Harlan is still there, along with Ron Wolf’s scouting staff and personnel department. Harlan was the one who hand picked Wolf to run the team in the early 90’s, and Harlan makes it a point to give Sherman everything he needs to be successful. Harlan is currently grooming a successor to replace himslef down the road. The Packers will have their ups and downs and will make mistakes like everyone else, but they are more committed to winning than ever before. I have no worries about their future in that regard, because I know the management at the top is totally committed to the success of the football team. It’s like they said at the stockholders meeting, their sole business is football.
The only worry I would ever have about Green Bay is if the league down the road would turn into baseball with their collective bargaining agreements with the players, where only the large market teams can survive, and the small market teams basically have little chance of competing and winning. That’s the one thing that could someday kill Green Bay. Other than that, I have no worries about the commitment to winning by the Packers, or their future.
Originally posted by Houdini Bob Harlan the CEO was the key to turning around the Packers. Harlan is still there, along with Ron Wolf’s scouting staff and personnel department. Harlan was the one who hand picked Wolf to run the team in the early 90’s, and Harlan makes it a point to give Sherman everything he needs to be successful. Harlan is currently grooming a successor to replace himslef down the road. The Packers will have their ups and downs and will make mistakes like everyone else, but they are more committed to winning than ever before. I have no worries about their future in that regard, because I know the management at the top is totally committed to the success of the football team. It’s like they said at the stockholders meeting, their sole business is football.
The only worry I would ever have about Green Bay is if the league down the road would turn into baseball with their collective bargaining agreements with the players, where only the large market teams can survive, and the small market teams basically have little chance of competing and winning. That’s the one thing that could someday kill Green Bay. Other than that, I have no worries about the commitment to winning by the Packers, or their future.
I think the Pack will be okay and like you said - Harlen is still around and he's as sharp as they come.
Skkorp - don't hate us 'cuz we got trophies and a closet full of playoff games.
I don't see that big name free agents are avoiding Green Bay - not like they were in the pre-Favre era.
Shawn
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Originally posted by FischerKing I think the Pack will be okay and like you said - Harlen is still around and he's as sharp as they come.
Skkorp - don't hate us 'cuz we got trophies and a closet full of playoff games.
I don't see that big name free agents are avoiding Green Bay - not like they were in the pre-Favre era.
Shawn
Once #4 is gone though, I believe it will be mediocrity city in GB...unless they somehow get a true heir apparent (Nall?). He...and he alone in alot of instances...is ressponsible for successes the Pack maybe never should have had. JMHO.
I will admit though, they are a well run organization.
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Originally posted by AZCB34 Ok put Jake Plummer in there and how does the Pack do? My point is he won games because of his ability that likely would have been lost otherwise.
The Packers didn't want Plummer though. That's not a fair comparison. You would have to ask how would the Packers have done with Mark Brunell, Curt Warner, or Aaron Brooks on their team instead of Farve because that's who they got rid of because they had Favre. Brunell played in three Pro Bowls, being named the game's MVP in 1997, and took his team to the AFC championship twice. Warner has taken his team to the Super Bowl a few times. Brooks has taken his team to the playoffs. One of those guys would have been the QB in Green Bay if not for Favre, not Plummer. You have to ask how would Green Bay have done with one of those guys.
Originally posted by Houdini The Packers didn't want Plummer though. That's not a fair comparison. You would have to ask how would the Packers have done with Mark Brunell, Curt Warner, or Aaron Brooks on their team instead of Farve because that's who they got rid of because they had Favre. Brunell played in three Pro Bowls, being named the game's MVP in 1997, and took his team to the AFC championship twice. Warner has taken his team to the Super Bowl a few times. Brooks has taken his team to the playoffs. One of those guys would have been the QB in Green Bay if not for Favre, not Plummer. You have to ask how would Green Bay have done with one of those guys.
IMO, STILL not as good as Favre. They would have still fallen short of where they are now. Better than Jake for sure but still short of Favre.
Warner was lightning in a bottle (and also showed GB little otherwise they would have engineered another brilliant trade like with Brunell and Brooks). Brunell is a good QB but I have always viewed him as over-rated. Brooks...I like him alot and he has done things but not consistently yet (but getting there).
Again, my point is he made them better by his very ability and were in not for him I doubt they would have been as good as they have been.
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Packers' quarterback Craig Nall, who hyperextended his right knee during Monday morning's practice, had to almost be physically restrained from going back on the field Monday afternoon, but was in practice Tuesday morning. "I'm not going to go too far but Nall's not a whole lot different from a mental standpoint and a toughness standpoint than No. 4," head coachMike Sherman told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, comparing him to Brett Favre. "He's a tough kid from Louisiana."
We got us a fighter.
Shawn
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Is Akili Smith TC fodder? I thought that was a good (clever) pickup for them. Not suggesting he is QB of future but you never know what can happen with a change of scenery. Roll the dice and see what comes up.
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Originally posted by AZCB34 IMO, STILL not as good as Favre. They would have still fallen short of where they are now. Better than Jake for sure but still short of Favre.
Warner was lightning in a bottle (and also showed GB little otherwise they would have engineered another brilliant trade like with Brunell and Brooks). Brunell is a good QB but I have always viewed him as over-rated. Brooks...I like him alot and he has done things but not consistently yet (but getting there).
Again, my point is he made them better by his very ability and were in not for him I doubt they would have been as good as they have been.
I agree the Packers wouldn't have been quite as good with those guys as they have been with Favre, but my point is they still would have been a very competitive team with some of those guys at QB and still would have made the playoffs some of those years without Favre. So many non-Packer fans make it sound like the Packers will fall off the face of the earth if they didn't have Favre. People forget, there was a time Holmgren wanted to bench Favre and start Brunell. An assistant coach talked Holmgren out of it. I can't say for sure what the future will bring without Favre, but I feel the organization is so well staffed and managed at the top compared to what it was in the 70's and 80's, that they'll still field a competitive team more times than not.
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