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Old July 31st, 2003, 09:54 PM   #16
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I'm sure about it. I read it in an article somewhere. The Cardinals passed the Packers in games missed due to injuries during the month of December, but going into December Green Bay had more injuries during the season up to that point. I think Seattle had the most going into December. I'm not sure what the final totals turned out to be to end the season.
Oh I see. That very well might be true.
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Old July 31st, 2003, 10:00 PM   #17
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The Packers had more injuries going into December last season than the Cardinals had and ran out of gas and bodies. They should be a playoff team this year, but probably not strong enough to be a Super Bowl team in my opinion. But their window of opportunity isn't slammed shut. They have 21 of the 22 starters signed through 2004. They will have more salary cap room next year to sign free agents when Freeman's salary is finally off the books next year. And except for Favre and Henderson on offense, and Joe Johnson and Brown on defense, the Packers are actually a pretty young team with some up and coming talent. Some of their best players like KGB and Ahman Green are only in their early to mid 20s. I say if Favre sticks around next year to take another crack at the Super Bowl, they have a legit shot at a Super Bowl in 2004 after some of their young talent like the wide receivers and new linebackers develop some more.
Ditto - even when Favre eventually retires - they may drop a notch or two, but they still are going to be a competitive team. They've got the makings of a good starting QB in Nall if he can get the reps. I can't wait to watch him this preseason - from the little I've seen of him, he's legit and a better QB than Pederson.

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Old July 31st, 2003, 10:02 PM   #18
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If there is one thing I personally don't like is to throw the "injury" card into the mix because every team has to deal with them to some level during the course of the season.

I will say that they Packers defense played way above their heads considering the inexperience of the guys they were running out there and the talent they had on defense. They weren't great - but they played like they were.

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Old July 31st, 2003, 10:17 PM   #19
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Ditto - even when Favre eventually retires - they may drop a notch or two, but they still are going to be a competitive team. They've got the makings of a good starting QB in Nall if he can get the reps. I can't wait to watch him this preseason - from the little I've seen of him, he's legit and a better QB than Pederson.

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It's hard to say about Nall. It's hard to say what his great numbers in NFLE means against lower talent. I'm eager to see him Monday night though. I just hope Favre doesn't get hurt in the preseason with Clifton and Taushar sitting out the first few preseason games.

I agree though that the Packers might drop a notch or two after Favre retires, but I can't see them falling into oblivion like they did in the 70's and 80's when I first became a Packer fan. Their management setup is too good now compared to then to let them drop that much. And they really do have some young talent, not like the 1960s when they all got old at the same time. I kind of see the Packers becoming like Denver after Elway retired. I think they'll have some good 8-8 to 10-6 teams, but not an elite team unless they luck out and get another stud QB somewhere.

It would be great if Nall turns out. Too soon to say. The Packers had Nall rated as the 5th best QB in last years draft and Josh McCown as the 3rd best QB in last years draft which I thought was interesting.
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It's hard to say about Nall. It's hard to say what his great numbers in NFLE means against lower talent. I'm eager to see him Monday night though. I just hope Favre doesn't get hurt in the preseason with Clifton and Taushar sitting out the first few preseason games.

It would be great if Nall turns out. Too soon to say. The Packers had Nall rated as the 5th best QB in last years draft and Josh McCown as the 3rd best QB in last years draft which I thought was interesting.
Preseason - man I hate it and I think it's a waste for the most part. I really wish they wouldn't shorten it (play less games).

I think Favre should play the first quarter the games and then maybe a half in the final one. There is just no reason to put him in unnecessary risk. Hopefully the coaching staff will be smart about it.

Favre and Nall - from a pure physical standpoint - are near identical. Nall has an inch and 5 lbs. on Favre. He's got a very strong arm, and last preseason I though he made some pretty good plays - although that was second team vs. second team - but he was still making plays against equal talent.

This preseason I'd like to see him get the majority of the backup reps because I'd like to see how mobile he is and how well he makes decisions.

Favre was 0-5 with a pick at Atlanta and then he was just miserable (well, I was miserable) for his first couple of seasons with the Packers. I don't think Nall will be that bad if and when he steps up as the heir apparent.

The Packers have had a string of unknown gems sitting behind Favre for a better part of his career - I don't see why Nall would be any different. He's definitely the most "Favre-like" in terms of stature than any one else they've had on the depth chart.

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Old July 31st, 2003, 10:41 PM   #21
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The Packers have had a string of unknown gems sitting behind Favre for a better part of his career - I don't see why Nall would be any different. He's definitely the most "Favre-like" in terms of stature than any one else they've had on the depth chart.

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I hope you're right about Nall. Favre did have some great backups. I was always a big Brunell fan. Aaron Brooks turned out pretty good too. I'm interested to see how Hasselback does this year in Seattle. Does he continue where he left off when he led the NFC in passing the last 6 or 8 games, (I forget which it was), or does he fall back into being an average guy. It's to bad we traded him and a draft pick for Jamal Reynolds. I don't know if Hasselback is the answer at QB, but I know Reynolds isn't the answer at DE.
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Are you sure about that? Or are you just assuming that?

I read it at the end of the follwing link:

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The Cardinals have lost 33 offensive game starts and nine defensive game starts to injuries this season. Former first-round picks David Boston and Thomas Jones are among the players the Cardinals have lost for the season.

"Being Irish, you'd think I'd have some luck," Cardinals coach Dave McGinnis said.

The Cardinals polled teams on injuries, specifically how many games starters have missed because of injuries through Week 13. It turns out the Cardinals haven't been hit as hard as Seattle, Cincinnati and Green Bay. Seattle has missed 61 starter games, 12 more than any other team in the league. The Cowboys have missed 41.


http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/4694088.htm

Despite the injuries, the Packers were 9-3 at the time heading into December. But it caught up to them at the end of the season and playoffs.

http://www.sportingnews.com//voices/.../20021203.html
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Numbers seem suspect to me.

Seems if you really wanted to make the point, you'd take numbers for the entire season, not 4-5 weeks remaining in the season.
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Numbers seem suspect to me.

Seems if you really wanted to make the point, you'd take numbers for the entire season, not 4-5 weeks remaining in the season.
I couldn't find the season ending totals for team injuries. If my numbers are suspect, you are welcome to post the accurate numbers.
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