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View Poll Results: Who is the best LB of all time????
No LB before him forced offenses to game plan for him. Add that with his 2 Super Bowl victories, and 120+ sacks, and really it isn't even debateable.
Butkus, Singletary, etc. aren't even close.
Edit: For the sake of honesty, I originally posted "are" when I meant "aren't".
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Last edited by Krangthebrain; August 14th, 2003 at 10:28 AM.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Of the 4 listed, LT was the best BUT You have listed 3 MLBs and one OLB...and the OLB is questionably considered a DE for the purposes of how he was used defensively. Not sure it is a fair comparison from that standpoint.
But of those listed, LT was hands down the best.
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Originally posted by AZCB34 Of the 4 listed, LT was the best BUT You have listed 3 MLBs and one OLB...and the OLB is questionably considered a DE for the purposes of how he was used defensively. Not sure it is a fair comparison from that standpoint.
Originally posted by AZCB34 Of the 4 listed, LT was the best BUT You have listed 3 MLBs and one OLB...and the OLB is questionably considered a DE for the purposes of how he was used defensively. Not sure it is a fair comparison from that standpoint.
But of those listed, LT was hands down the best.
Like Shane said, great point!
The best MLB when all is said and done, will be Ray Lewis.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Originally posted by Krangthebrain Like Shane said, great point!
The best MLB when all is said and done, will be Ray Lewis.
I would probably agree...even though I hate to admit Lewis is anything but a thug.
Butkus in his day was probably pound for pound more devastating than Lewis but different eras...JMHO.
How should we really classify LT? OLB or DE? Either way, he was probably the best at his position but I really question whether he can really be listed as a OLB
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Originally posted by AZCB34 I would probably agree...even though I hate to admit Lewis is anything but a thug.
Butkus in his day was probably pound for pound more devastating than Lewis but different eras...JMHO.
How should we really classify LT? OLB or DE? Either way, he was probably the best at his position but I really question whether he can really be listed as a OLB
Well, he is your typical 3-4 OLB. Kind of like Jason Gildon, but of course, about 1000 times better.
LT also was a shutdown run defender. No OLB today is even close as a pass rusher or as a run defender.
Derrick Thomas was close as a pass rusher, but he was never close to the complete player that LT was. IMO LT is the single greatest defender ever.
Butkus wasn't the type of defender that turned a bad defense into a good defense like Lewis does. I don't Lewis either, but he is quite possibly the best defender in the game.
You also have to remember that I don't generally believe that MLB is as important as a lot of other positions defensively, so that shows you how good I think Lewis is.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
The question though, is did the Giants actually play a 3-4? I think the answer is no...and LT was technically a DE. But other than that I agree, he may be the best defender ever.
The problem with Lewis to me is if you take him out the year they won the SB, I think you could put just about anyone else (competent of course) in there with pretty similar results. I mean drop Urlacher in there and there is little drop off.
Derrick Thomas was one of my all time favorite players. Loved that guy and he got better against the run as time went by.
Not saying I disagree on Lewis but I think he is something of a result of system/personnel around him too.
My Bears upbringing causes me to place more value (right or wrong) on the MLB position.
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Originally posted by AZCB34 The question though, is did the Giants actually play a 3-4? I think the answer is no...and LT was technically a DE. But other than that I agree, he may be the best defender ever.
The problem with Lewis to me is if you take him out the year they won the SB, I think you could put just about anyone else (competent of course) in there with pretty similar results. I mean drop Urlacher in there and there is little drop off.
Derrick Thomas was one of my all time favorite players. Loved that guy and he got better against the run as time went by.
Not saying I disagree on Lewis but I think he is something of a result of system/personnel around him too.
My Bears upbringing causes me to place more value (right or wrong) on the MLB position.
But the Giants DID play a 3-4 just like the Steelers do.
Typically 3-4s have a rush end linebacker like LT, Jason Gildon, Kevin Greene, and with Baltimore Boulware. Commonly one 3-4 OLB lines up like a defensive end, though the OLB is still a OLB. The most important player in the 3-4 defense IMO is the rush end OLB, with the nose tackle coming in a close second.
And I highly disagree with your thoughts on Lewis. The Ravens last year showed just how good Lewis. They wouldn't have even sniffed the Super Bowl, let alone win one without Lewis.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Originally posted by Krangthebrain And I highly disagree with your thoughts on Lewis. The Ravens last year showed just how good Lewis. They wouldn't have even sniffed the Super Bowl, let alone win one without Lewis.
Please don't take this as Bears homerism.
Urlacher is barely behind Lewis talentwise and he would have played up to almost the same level when they won the Super Bowl. I still admit Lewis is better but only marginally. Lewis was made even more effective when he had all that room to roam...same with Urlacher in Chicago.
As a slight change in subject...watch Urlacher this year. The Bears are going ot unleash their Dline more and not worry so much about giving room to the LBs. I think this will be a great test of what kind of LB Urlacher is when the scheme isn't built to make things easier for him to make plays. Although they are also going to move Urlacher around...especially on passing downs.
I didn't realize the Giants actually played a 3-4. I always thought Taylor was essentially a DE in the 4-3.
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I didn't realize the Giants actually played a 3-4. I always thought Taylor was essentially a DE in the 4-3.
Parcells is a 3-4 defensive guy, and almost all of LT's career was played with Parcells.
But in many cases a 3-4 OLB, plays a DE role, so in a way you are right, but definitionally you are not.
I think Urlacher is a great player, but I still think that Lewis has proven that he is better. Everyone thought that Lewis might take a step back without his huge tackles up front last year, but he was arguably more effective last year until he was injured.
I also put Brookings ahead of Urlacher as well, but not by much.
On a scale of 1-100 I would rank them:
Lewis 99
Brookings 94
Urlacher 93
Not much of a difference...
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
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