2012 St Louis Rams thread

[mojorizen7]

Originally Posted by JAB

Admit you got caught with your pants down, and you extremely overreached for a player you could have Got with your first pick in the second round. Your so-called great leadership in your words got smoked, day one and you paid too much.

That makes that pick a C it's not what or who you wanted. I told you to take Floyd at 6. Yes that would be a reach but this reach was a big need for you not a NT. With a rookie pay scale, and in dire need to help out Sam Bradford and Stephen Jackson you couldn't afford to do what you did, and miss out and miss out you did. If anything besides Blackmon or Floyd, you should've went Offensive line and stayed at 6.

I thought i did admit to getting jumped by Jacksonville,then making a trade down one slot too low. Do you just have diarrhea of the mouth here?
Michael Brockers in the 2nd rd? Ummm...no. Top rated run stuffing DT in the draft. Dont be silly.

You don't draft a Division 1 player with basically a first round pick with his numbers and experience. I have no idea what Jeff Fisher is doing in this draft. He only played one year of high school football and his best year in college he just broke 1000 yards, with 71 catches against completely inferior talent. Sorry this pick is an F at 33.

Again...as i said...its a reach....not a FAIL. Not sure you're actually replying to my posts at this point. I'm an objective Rams fan. Sounds more like you're just a boy trying to impress yourself with this right-handed,wet napkin style of smack talk.

When the comparisons they come up with is Pac Man Jones you're already off to a bad start. "They gave him every chance in the world at Florida, and it didn't work." He hasn't just been caught smoking marijuana or tested positive he's been arrested for it on more than one occasion and has fathered four children, with three different women already.

He's a stupid immature kid who smokes alot of pot and has four children....and he might be the best cover corner in the draft. A smart kid who might be the best cover corner in the draft and smokes alot of pot doesn't get caught. What does fathering children have to do with being football player? Is he a deadbeat dad? IDK....i haven't heard. If he pulls a Warren Sapp then yeah...crucify him. Until then...so what?

I guess your true leader in your words, who couldn't fix Pac-Man Jones and had to dump him is repeating the same mistake. I will concede he has talent, but until he proves he can stay out of trouble you can't give him a higher grade than a D as well. You just don't know especially with this commissioner and his past just how bad things can go for him in a hurry in today's NFL. He's not going to get the leniency Pac-Man Jones started with, and he's just as much trouble.

I can give him any grade i want dude...he's probably the best cover corner in this draft and the fact is that he isn't Pac man Jones....he's Janoris Jenkins who was drafted in the 2nd rd.
High risk/high reward. If Jenkins busts, we've still got Finnegan and Bradley Fletcher starting who are extremely capable guys at CB.

You've got to be kidding me geving this guy an A. He was projected to go in the fourth round. He is a complete project, he is extremely small and has way too many negatives and doesn't fit Jeff Fisher system. I can't see how you have him anything higher then any C-.

Huh? He's 5'10 200lbs. He was drafted as a change of pace back to Jackson. Do you know what a change of pace RB is? probably not because you've watched Ken Whisenhunt call pass plays for the last several years...its a guy who can give a defense something else to look at coming out of the backfield. You guys have one of these guys on your roster too....but hyphen will be a non-factor again this season behind the Bean and Williams(your other ignorant high draft pick) because Whiz is an idiot who doesn't understand how difficult it is for a defense to react to a multi-dimensional ground game that can actually benefit a QB(especially a bad QB who wants to get the ball to the best WR in the game).
Pead will succeed in a Rams offense lacking dimension.

I'm still waiting to see this great leadership you were talking about. You definitely didn't do anything to help Sam Bradford and it doesn't matter what you have on defense if they spend two thirds of the game on the field. Enjoy and I really don't mean this just to talk smack but you're definitely going to finish last in the division again.

Your only semi-logical statement thusfar. This offense(on paper) still lacks weapons and playmakers. SJ is a beast,but he needs help on the outside. Bradford will return to form playing in a non-amoeba offense LOL.....but weapons must emerge. Rams fans(and myself) are banking on the long overdue dismissal of horrific OLine coach Steve Loney(sound familiar Cardinals fans?) this season...with vet OLine coach Paul Boudreau to get these talented guys going.

This defense(on paper) has all the makings of being very stingy and physical.
Our DLine is set.
JAB....you can only wish you had pass rushing bookends like Chris Long and Robert Quinn. Add the mammoth DT Brockers and FA run stuffer Kendall Langford to that mix and its lights out for ya'll with our secondary who can cover,and get physical with your recievers...this unit will be nasty good too...even if Janoris gets caught with a joint in his jock. Jerome Murphy is a young kid that will have a big year too.

OLB is the only hole in our D at this point. I suppose you can milk that for a another full post of ill-informed statements. We're closer than you think.

Who's gonna protect you bad QB's this season bro?
Who's gonna open holes for your stable of RB's who dont get any carries anyway?

[JAB]

Originally Posted by mojorizen7

I thought i did admit to getting jumped by Jacksonville,then making a trade down one slot too low. Do you just have diarrhea of the mouth here?
Michael Brockers in the 2nd rd? Ummm...no. Top rated run stuffing DT in the draft. Dont be silly.

Actually you didn't admit to getting jumped by Jacksonville you admitted to losing out on Floyd, that would mean you got jumped by two teams not just one.

As far as the diarrhea of the mouth comment nice word choice for the one claiming to be a grown-up. I'm new to posting on this forum "full time". The title of this being a smack section and your comments led me to believe that's all you do here. So yes smack is what I thought I was here for and that's all I was doing.

Your first pick as I said:
Due to the fact he wasn't rated that high it's not a stretch to think he would've been available at pick 33. Besides the main point was he wasn't who you wanted or the position you wanted to fill in round one. And you lost out on getting what you wanted twice, which devalues that pick as far as grading your team's performance IMO.

Again...as i said...its a reach....not a FAIL. Not sure you're actually replying to my posts at this point. I'm an objective Rams fan. Sounds more like you're just a boy trying to impress yourself with this right-handed,wet napkin style of smack talk.

Maybe you need to read the title of this section again and then get a dictionary to what the word Smack means. If you're trying to be serious Maybe you should start your post with this is not a smack comment because your rationale would lead someone to think you're joking. Anyways, if you don't want to be treated like a child don't act like one, especially in this section that is labeled Smack. That word alone draws in the people that enjoy a little childish banter.

Originally Posted by mojorizen7

DT Michael Brockers (B+)
The Rams traded down one slot too far and missed on Michael Floyd. Oops.

Jacksonville is not in their go back and read it if you can read. You wrote your grading as if the trade back was all planned out, and it wasn't. Blackmon "SP ?" was your first choice, Floyd was your second choice. You had the number six pick and you got neither. Your NT was an afterthought. Oops is right your new leader got owned in round one.

PS, and we got Floyd double Oops for you. Have fun watching the player you missed out on by your great leader having his head up his butt score why trying to contain Larry Fitzgerald.

[TJ]

Originally Posted by mojorizen7

MY GRADES

DT Michael Brockers (B+)
The Rams traded down one slot too far and missed on Michael Floyd. Oops.
Still they end up with the best run stuffing DT on the board at #14

I have to imagine some Rams fans are upset that four of the last six first round picks were spent on D-Linemen. Almost like the Lions and their penchant for drafting wideouts last decade.

[mojorizen7]

Originally Posted by TJ

I have to imagine some Rams fans are upset that four of the last six first round picks were spent on D-Linemen. Almost like the Lions and their penchant for drafting wideouts last decade.

Actually its only 3 of the last five:
Chris Long, OT Jason Smith, Bradford,Quinn and now Brockers)

Some fans want a WR every year but the majority of us are cool with trying to solidify the trenches.
Chris Long has arrived,Robert Quinn played well as rookie who only got one start. Before drafting Brockers we had a huge hole there at 3 tech DT. We'll see.

Jason Smith has been a bust and then there's Bradford...many have written him off already. Thats fine....those people didn't watch the games and have short memories.

TJ,did you like the Floyd pick? Or did you prefer someone else? DeCastro maybe?

[BigRedRage]

dramaaaaaa

[JAB]

Originally Posted by mojorizen7

Actually its only 3 of the last five:
Chris Long, OT Jason Smith, Bradford,Quinn and now Brockers)

Some fans want a WR every year but the majority of us are cool with trying to solidify the trenches.
Chris Long has arrived,Robert Quinn played well as rookie who only got one start. Before drafting Brockers we had a huge hole there at 3 tech DT. We'll see.?

Another Rams fan posted on the main page, where there is a Rams thread by the way, without any smack talk, which you may enjoy more than posting in this section that's dedicated to Smack and obviously the terminology confuses you told us your team lost three of your starting defensive lineman. If that's the case, that makes your pick a lot more understandable. It's still not the first or second player you targeted, but I can see now why you picked him.

Jason Smith has been a bust and then there's Bradford...many have written him off already. Thats fine....those people didn't watch the games and have short memories.

Sam Bradford definitely took a dip in productivity from his first year to the second. I don't think people are doubting him as far as his talent but without the offensive weapons or an offensive line to protect him It doesn't take long for a plunge.

My personal opinion is you really needed to help him out with a big time player that opposing teams would have to respect game one. My personal opinion is that's why you targeted a wide receiver but missed twice in the first round. I also believe that would've taken some pressure off Stephen Jackson and helped prolong his career.

Obviously you need to do more than just get one wide receiver. But having concerns about Bradford continuing to be productive are very reasonable under the conditions he's playing with and that would have been IMO a good start. Definitely a better start than a NT. Franchise quarterback's don't grow on trees and he very well could be one. It would be a shame for your organization to lose him do to not giving him what he needs to succeed. The quarterback position is so important and he may have that talent it should be your priority number one as I see it.

TJ,did you like the Floyd pick? Or did you prefer someone else? DeCastro maybe?

Can't speak for TJ but as I've said my personal opinion is you should have stayed at six and yes reached for Floyd or gone offensive line. For your team with a rookie pay scale and the need to keep Bradford moving forward I don't think in your case that would've been a bad move. I can also see people criticizing taking Floyd that low but that's my opinion. Again you seem to want to just talk football you should probably take your stuff to the main page and out of the "Smack" shack.

[TJ]

Originally Posted by mojorizen7

Actually its only 3 of the last five:
Chris Long, OT Jason Smith, Bradford,Quinn and now Brockers)

Don't forget Adam Carriker in 2007. Or perhaps Rams fans are trying to repress that memory

Some fans want a WR every year but the majority of us are cool with trying to solidify the trenches.
Chris Long has arrived,Robert Quinn played well as rookie who only got one start. Before drafting Brockers we had a huge hole there at 3 tech DT. We'll see.

Agree. I like Long and he obviously comes from an excellent football pedigree. I knew eventually he'd figure it out. Quinn is a beast. I remember when he laid out Skelton in the game against us in Glendale. Thought he was shot out of a cannon.

I said early on Blackmon would have been perfect for the Rams, but Jacksonville snuck right in front of you.

Jason Smith has been a bust and then there's Bradford...many have written him off already. Thats fine....those people didn't watch the games and have short memories.

Smith is not great, but he has also had the injury bug. The Rams have a new line coach, right? Perhaps he'll set him straight. Or he can be the Rams' answer for Levi Brown

I believe Bradford is still the best QB in the division. The people that wrote him off were certainly ignoring the Rams season and just looking at box scores and records. Bradford was injured as were many of his weapons, including Jax in the beginning of the season. In addition, he had to unlearn Pat Shurmur's offense and learn Josh McDaniels'....in his second season as a pro. Now, he has to learn Brian Schottenheimer's offense. Counting college, that's four different offenses in four years. Ouch! It's akin to Alex Smith's situation, except Bradford is far more talented.

TJ,did you like the Floyd pick? Or did you prefer someone else? DeCastro maybe?

Love it. The Cardinals' offense has always been at its best when it had two #1 receivers. Think back to Fitz and Q from 2004-2009. Even with McClown as a QB, the team was putting up good passing numbers. Yes, our offense deteriorated largely due to Warner's retirement but also because of Q's departure.

Floyd's ceiling is very high. He made Jimmy Clausin a 2nd round pick a couple of years ago. Even with the uncertainty at QB for Notre Dame last season, he caught 100 passes and 9 TDs. If indeed the Fitz comparisons hold true, the passing attack will be potent, regardless of who's behind center in 2012. Aside from the off-the-field stuff, Floyd's weakness is crisp route running. Fitz had the same weakness coming out of Pitt. But Floyd has been working out w/ Fitz for quite some time, so I foresee that as a skill he will improve upon as he grows into a professional athlete.

The Cardinals could have pulled the trigger on an offensive lineman, but Whiz, Graves, Kiem and co. were hell bent on BPA. It worked out wonderfully for our first four picks. To have Massie fall into our laps in the 4th round was incredible. Look out for our 5th round pick Kelemete, the Guard from Washington. Excellent run blocker. Helped Chris Polk have a great season.

[JAB]

I thought he was asking you if they should've took Floyd, not us. Oh well that figures. Anyways my personal opinion is I would have been just as happy with an offensive lineman as I'm with Floyd. Although if he frees up Larry Fitzgerald like he should then I'm definitely going to be glad we took Floyd over an offensive lineman.

[mojorizen7]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...tocking-period

Of 384 possible starts in 16 games on offense, defense and special teams, the Rams have already said goodbye to 206 of them. On a 90-player participation chart for last season, 49 players are gone. Both numbers mean 54 percent of their team will turn over, at least.

Good news.

[JAB]

Originally Posted by mojorizen7

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...tocking-period

Good news.

Well it certainly couldn't get any worse. It might be good but I doubt it's going to help much for next year. Hopefully in your case it will help for the future.

[mojorizen7]

Offseason Breakdown:St Louis Rams
SI.com
http://nfl.si.com/2012/07/10/offseas...sct=nfl_t11_a0

2011 Record: 2-14 (fourth in NFC West)
Key Additions: CB Cortland Finnegan, DT Michael Brockers, WR Brian Quick, CB Janoris Jenkins, LB Rocky McIntosh, OT Barry Richardson, LB Jo-Lonn Dunbar, WR Steve Smith, DT Kendall Langford, C Scott Wells

Key Subtractions: WR Brandon Lloyd, G Jacob Bell, C Jason Brown, DE James Hall, DT Justin Bannan, DT Fred Robbins, LB Chris Chamberlain, CB Ron Bartell
Team Strengths: DL, CB

Team Weaknesses: WR, TE

With the Rams’ offense still looking anemic (we’ll get to that shortly), it’s vital that the defense does its job. The team’s front four is lethal, with talented rushers Chris Long and Robert Quinn (who improved mightily as his rookie 2011 season went on) on the outside and newcomers Michael Brockers and Kendall Langford stuffing the middle. The corners, too, are quite good after an offseason overhaul that brought in big-money addition Cortland Finnegan and talented rookies Janoris Jenkins and Trumaine Johnson. With those units, and middle linebacker James Laurinaitis, the defense has all the tools to be top 10 on paper.

2. Which Sam Bradford will we get?: We’ve already discussed the polarity of Bradford’s first two seasons. He should resemble the rookie star more than last season’s flop in Year 3 … unless too much damage has already been done.

First, the good. He’s healthy again, an obvious lift. He’s got more playmakers, with Amendola back and the additions of Brian Quick and Steve Smith (who should be better himself a season removed from injury woes) at receiver along with Isaiah Pead, a shifty playmaker and receiving option in the backfield. He’s also got a slightly improved offensive line, though that’ll still give him some problems. And new coordinator Brian Schottenheimer is not as bad as he was made out to be with the Jets. He’ll help Bradford more than McDaniels was able to.

Still, though, there are concerns. Ron Jaworski raised eyebrows earlier in the offseason by saying that Bradford had “cabin fever” last year, a tentativeness in the pocket and inability to recognize the pass rush coming at him. The line has certainly left him hanging out to dry in his first two years, allowing a league-worst 55 sacks last year, with 36 of those getting to Bradford. All told, he’s been sacked 70 times in his first two seasons, and all those hits have apparently left him rattled. That’s called David Carr Syndrome, and it’s hard/impossible to overcome once it sets in. It would be a shame if the Rams’ franchise quarterback was ruined already, but as much as Jaws knows about quarterback play, Bradford still has a chance to prove that he’s not done yet

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[Mulli]

http://www.examiner.com/article/smit...a-st-louis-ram

Traded Jason Smith for Wayne Hunter.

:championship:

[Mulli]

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/footb...N61hQY.twitter

Brockers out maybe a month with high ankle sprain.

[mojorizen7]

Originally Posted by Mulli

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/footb...N61hQY.twitter

Brockers out maybe a month with high ankle sprain.

Yeah tough break. He looked good early. Hopefully he gets back in time to play your Birds in week 5.

Robert Quinn has been beasting at RE....then there's Long who's already arrived. DLine is shaping up quite nicely. It will be tough without Brockers in there though.

Still, i've seen that AZ OLine and Ya'll better pack a lunch...and an extra QB

[mojorizen7]

What i like in 2012....

The defensive line....
Chris Long(stud)
Kendall Langford(upgrade)
Michael Brockers(started strong)
Robert Quinn(beast)

The RB's....
SJ39(not slowing down...look at the numbers)
Daryl Richardson(who?)
Isaiah Pead(special teams...the light will come on)


The Secondary...
Cortland Finnegan(stud)
Janoris Jenkins(will gamble and learn...and will make big plays)
Bradley Fletcher

What i don't like in 2012...

The tackles on the OLine.
LT Saffold must get better at becoming an NFL caliber LT.
RT Barry Richardson has alot to prove....especially in pass protection. A large experiment going on with the OLine.....young and old. Not good for Bradford. At least we've got coach Boudreau coaching them....

The OLB's.
The Rams upgraded in terms of speed but did we upgrade in terms of talent? I like Haggan.... Rock McIntosh is good in East/West pursuit....but can they cover? I dont think so.

Safety.....
Craig Dahl. Instinctive but extremely limited in space. He'll get burned. I honestly don't know how he's still on the roster.

Quintin Mikell. Brought in by Spagnuolo....he's had a rough training camp. He's struggled to grasp the Fisher defense. I could see Bradley Fletcher being moved to safety....if he can stay healthy.

Rams need to to run the ball like there's no tomorrow in 2012. The Oline can dominate there IMO....and ya'll had better get aquainted with RB Daryl Richardson....just sayin....and rookie kicker Greg Zuerline will win 2 games on his own.