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Old October 30th, 2003, 11:50 AM   #1
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Zell Miller Endorses Bush


Zell Miller Endorses Bush
The Democratic senator from Georgia comes out swinging for the president.
by Fred Barnes
10/29/2003 3:25:00 PM


Fred Barnes, executive editor

SENATOR ZELL MILLER OF GEORGIA, the nation's most prominent conservative Democrat, said today he will endorse President Bush for re-election in 2004 and campaign for him if Bush wishes him to. Miller said Bush is "the right man at the right time" to govern the country.

The next five years "will determine the kind of world my children and grandchildren will live in," Miller said in an interview. And he wouldn't "trust" any of the nine Democratic presidential candidates with governing during "that crucial period," he said. "This Democrat will vote for President Bush in 2004."

Miller, who is retiring from the Senate next year, has often expressed his admiration for Bush. He was a co-sponsor of the president's tax cuts in 2001 and 2003. The two got to know each other in the 1990s when both were governors.

The senator's endorsement is important for several reasons. With Miller on board, Bush will have a head start on forming a Democrats for Bush group in 2004. Such a group would woo crossover votes from conservative or otherwise disgruntled Democrats next year. In 2000, an effort by the Bush campaign to form a Democrats for Bush organization fizzled.

Since he came to the Senate in 2000, Miller has become increasingly critical of Senate Democrats and the national Democratic party. He recently published a new book, "A National Party No More: The Conscience of a Conservative Democrat," in which he criticizes the party for being too liberal, too elitist, and subservient to liberal interest groups. In the book, Miller singles out Democratic presidential frontrunner Howard Dean, whom he knew as governor of Vermont, for being shallow.


Fred Barnes is executive editor of The Weekly Standard.



I wish Bush would offer him VP position.

P.S. I would reccomend his book to everyone.
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Old October 30th, 2003, 12:20 PM   #2
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Old October 30th, 2003, 01:31 PM   #3
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I actually admire Miller for having the courage to vote for whom he sees as the best man for the job...irregardless of party affliation.

It is one of the things I like about John McCain as well.

While I may not agree with Miller, I respect a man who sticks to his beliefs in the face of what must be tremendous pressure within his political party.
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Old October 30th, 2003, 02:07 PM   #4
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I actually admire Miller for having the courage to vote for whom he sees as the best man for the job...irregardless of party affliation.

It is one of the things I like about John McCain as well.

While I may not agree with Miller, I respect a man who sticks to his beliefs in the face of what must be tremendous pressure within his political party.
I don't. If he doesn't agree with his party he should leave.
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Old October 30th, 2003, 02:32 PM   #5
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I don't agree with that AT ALL.
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Old October 30th, 2003, 02:39 PM   #6
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He'll fit right in with Jim Jeffords.
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Old October 30th, 2003, 02:42 PM   #7
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Re: Zell Miller Endorses Bush


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Fred Barnes is executive editor of The Weekly Standard.



I wish Bush would offer him VP position.

Why would President Busch make Fred Barnes his VP?
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Old October 30th, 2003, 02:45 PM   #8
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I don't agree with that AT ALL.
With what I said?

Kind of vague statement...
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Old October 30th, 2003, 03:12 PM   #9
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Re: Re: Zell Miller Endorses Bush


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Why would President Busch make Fred Barnes his VP?
Zell Miller= VP
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This is like life imitating art. Last night on West Wing, a conservative Democrat broke ranks and then resigned from the party.

I don't know Zell Miller from a can of paint.
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Old October 31st, 2003, 07:05 AM   #11
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With what I said?

Kind of vague statement...
Are you saying that someone who calls himself a democrat has to agree with entire party platform or leave? The guy can call himself whatever he wants, be in whatever party he wants, and vote however he sees fit.
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Are you saying that someone who calls himself a democrat has to agree with entire party platform or leave? The guy can call himself whatever he wants, be in whatever party he wants, and vote however he sees fit.
I think he should support his party, and if his philosophical differences become so great that he regularly supports the other party he should probably leave.

If I ever found myself endorsing a Republican Presidential candidate, I would no longer consider myself a Democrat.

I'm not saying he should be forced to leave or anything like that.
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I think he should support his party, and if his philosophical differences become so great that he regularly supports the other party he should probably leave.

If I ever found myself endorsing a Republican Presidential candidate, I would no longer consider myself a Democrat.

I'm not saying he should be forced to leave or anything like that.
So what you are saying is that regardless of the issues you would just vote along party lines?

Sorry but thats just plain dumb!

Especially considering that I have seen you call out Stefan at least a few times for his strict unwavering partisan support!
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So what you are saying is that regardless of the issues you would just vote along party lines?

Sorry but thats just plain dumb!

Especially considering that I have seen you call out Stefan at least a few times for his strict unwavering partisan support!


I agree. You need to research each canidates position on the issues and character. I've crossed party lines a few times when I thought the canidate from my party was somewhat shady and wouldn't do a good job in representing my interests.

Just because someone is from your party doesn't mean he/she will do a good job. It's still a person.
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Old November 1st, 2003, 09:23 AM   #15
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So what you are saying is that regardless of the issues you would just vote along party lines?

Sorry but thats just plain dumb!

Especially considering that I have seen you call out Stefan at least a few times for his strict unwavering partisan support!
No that's not what I'm saying, so don't go and that's dumb.

I'm saying that if he finds himself continually supporting Republican causes, over and over, he should switch.

That's a little different.
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