You wonder why I care so much, this is why - Page 4

DWKB · February 7th, 2010, 01:02 PM

I think a kid picking up his father's legal gun in the house and shooting himself with it is a poor example of why we need reformed gun laws.

Chris_Sanders · February 7th, 2010, 01:49 PM

I don't see how this is anything other than a tragic example of negligence.

jw7 · February 7th, 2010, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by nidan

No you iirc asked for specific ideas and that occurred to me after somebody mentioned trigger locks and penalties for kids getting hold of guns.

Sorry but that is a law change. If you want it put into law just say it and stop dodging.

nidan · February 7th, 2010, 05:10 PM

Yes it is but it was something I thought of AFTER your comment.

Much as I'd like to I can't predict the future, not dodging anything

Southpaw · February 7th, 2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by UncleChris

Most semi-automatic pistols require a relatively easy pull on the trigger.... an average 3 year old would have no trouble with it.

As to leaving a round chambered, if you are using the weapon for self defense, of course you have a round chambered!!! But with that comes extra responsibility in keeping the weapon away from children... just as there is extra responsibility involved in keeping the back door and pool gate closed if you have a swimming pool (hundreds of children under 5 die annually in pools... thousands injured).

All are tragic... but living life in a room lined with foam rubber is not an option.

Just sayin'.....

of course chambered, but not with the hammer cocked. Granny would have to have left the hammer cocked after chambering one.. That is plain effin stupid to set it down with the hammer pre loaded. I don't see any reason to leave a semi auto with one in the chamber at all times.

conraddobler · February 7th, 2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by wallyburger

of course chambered, but not with the hammer cocked. Granny would have to have left the hammer cocked after chambering one.. That is plain effin stupid to set it down with the hammer pre loaded. I don't see any reason to leave a semi auto with one in the chamber at all times.

Cocked and loaded on a semi implies you're ready for immediate firing, I have no idea who would be under that kind of immediate threat but if you are then either move or find a better hiding spot for the gun than the floor when a toddler could ever be around it.

Heck I've never loaded a weapon in my home and don't plan on it, so if you can get me before I can load my shotgun you win.

Shane · February 8th, 2010, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by UncleChris

Most semi-automatic pistols require a relatively easy pull on the trigger.... an average 3 year old would have no trouble with it.

As to leaving a round chambered, if you are using the weapon for self defense, of course you have a round chambered!!! But with that comes extra responsibility in keeping the weapon away from children... just as there is extra responsibility involved in keeping the back door and pool gate closed if you have a swimming pool (hundreds of children under 5 die annually in pools... thousands injured).

Can't really say I agree with this. Most Semi Autos unless they are cocked and ready to go putting them into single action have a pretty hard trigger pull.

If not cocked and left in double action I think it would be really really hard for a 3 year old to have the strength to pull it. I know neither of my kids could have done it at 3. Hell they have a hard enough time pulling the trigger on the cap guns I bought them at that age.

Left in single action with the safety off would probably be the only way a 3 year old could accomplish this and is probably the way it happened unless there other circumstances iinvolved that we don't know about yet. If that is teh case the parents should definitely be held criminally negligent!

Now there are always exception like if somebody installed a custom spring that has a much lighter pull.

Also there are many I know that dont leave a round chambered for self defense. Only takes 1/4 second to pull the slide back and shoot.

RugbyMuffin · February 8th, 2010, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by nidan

Funny how talking about guns brings out the worst in the pro gun folks.

I never mentioned banning or changing laws and I'm sure people are comforted by your ideology

Seriously, that is ridiculous.

Then why post it.

Then why write "Nothing else needs to be said"

You are obviously implying to some type of gun control, and it will trigger said responses. To then take this stance above and take pot shots at others is borderline instigating in my book.

I completely respect your opinions on guns, but just come out and say it instead of waving the red cape at the bulls.

RugbyMuffin · February 8th, 2010, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by nidan

Boy, 3, finds gun in QC, shoots self in head

http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...oting-boy.html

Nothing else needs to be said

Yes, more needs to be said.

Who said if the kid doesn't shoot himself in the head, he doesn't stab himself with a knife that was left lying around, or drink cleaning solutions left around ?

What needs to be said is that there should be more laws about parents taking responsibility for their children, and raising them right.

How in the world can a parent be this stupid and negligent ?

You have a three year old in the house for Pete's sake, what in the name of everything, are you doing leaving a loaded gun, with the safety off, around the house !!!!

Frickin' parents should be tried for manslaughter, or at least have their reproductive organs ripped out.

PortlandCardFan · February 8th, 2010, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane H

Can't really say I agree with this. Most Semi Autos unless they are cocked and ready to go putting them into single action have a pretty hard trigger pull.

If not cocked and left in double action I think it would be really really hard for a 3 year old to have the strength to pull it. I know neither of my kids could have done it at 3. Hell they have a hard enough time pulling the trigger on the cap guns I bought them at that age.

Left in single action with the safety off would probably be the only way a 3 year old could accomplish this and is probably the way it happened unless there other circumstances iinvolved that we don't know about yet. If that is teh case the parents should definitely be held criminally negligent!

Now there are always exception like if somebody installed a custom spring that has a much lighter pull.

Also there are many I know that dont leave a round chambered for self defense. Only takes 1/4 second to pull the slide back and shoot.

Well said... And I leave my hand-gun without a round in the chamber as well. I figure if someone is in the house and they hear me chamber the round they know I mean business. Pseudo warning shot in a way...

I had my 11 year old daughter try to pull the slide on my M92. She couldn't do it. I then had her dry fire to see if she could. She had a very difficult time but eventually was able to pull the trigger.

RedStorm · February 8th, 2010, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by wallyburger

of course chambered, but not with the hammer cocked. Granny would have to have left the hammer cocked after chambering one.. That is plain effin stupid to set it down with the hammer pre loaded. I don't see any reason to leave a semi auto with one in the chamber at all times.

Only if it was a single action. You dont need to cock back the hammer with a double action. However, the trigger is harder to pull on a double action because it is cocking back the hammer with the trigger.

RedStorm · February 8th, 2010, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by PortlandCardFan

Well said... And I leave my hand-gun without a round in the chamber as well. I figure if someone is in the house and they hear me chamber the round they know I mean business. Pseudo warning shot in a way...

I had my 11 year old daughter try to pull the slide on my M92. She couldn't do it. I then had her dry fire to see if she could. She had a very difficult time but eventually was able to pull the trigger.

I agree.

40yearfan · February 8th, 2010, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Shane H

Can't really say I agree with this. Most Semi Autos unless they are cocked and ready to go putting them into single action have a pretty hard trigger pull.

If not cocked and left in double action I think it would be really really hard for a 3 year old to have the strength to pull it. I know neither of my kids could have done it at 3. Hell they have a hard enough time pulling the trigger on the cap guns I bought them at that age.

Left in single action with the safety off would probably be the only way a 3 year old could accomplish this and is probably the way it happened unless there other circumstances iinvolved that we don't know about yet. If that is teh case the parents should definitely be held criminally negligent!

Now there are always exception like if somebody installed a custom spring that has a much lighter pull.

Also there are many I know that dont leave a round chambered for self defense. Only takes 1/4 second to pull the slide back and shoot.

I agree. Plus the fact, I want the intruder to hear that unmistakeable sound of a handgun or shotgun being cocked and ready to fire. That's almost as good as having a 150 pound dog wanting to tear their head off.

CaptTurbo · February 8th, 2010, 07:18 AM

I would be willing to bet if an IQ test was required of current gun owners a solid 60% would fail with flying colors.

PortlandCardFan · February 8th, 2010, 07:19 AM

Great minds think a like!!!