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Old November 26th, 2004, 10:54 AM   #1
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WTO Okays Trade War Against US


The EU and other plaintiffs sought formal WTO authorisation to retaliate by imposing new duties against various US products.

Among the other potential targets are cod, textiles, glassware, mobile homes and apples.

The Byrd amendment was named after its sponsor, West Virginia senator Robert Byrd.

The 2000 law was ruled illegal two years ago by the 148-nation WTO - which referees global commerce - following a complaint spearheaded by the EU.


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Old November 26th, 2004, 11:29 AM   #2
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The EU and other plaintiffs sought formal WTO authorisation to retaliate by imposing new duties against various US products.

Among the other potential targets are cod, textiles, glassware, mobile homes and apples.

The Byrd amendment was named after its sponsor, West Virginia senator Robert Byrd.

The 2000 law was ruled illegal two years ago by the 148-nation WTO - which referees global commerce - following a complaint spearheaded by the EU.

http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/041126/218/f7e6s.html
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Old November 26th, 2004, 11:37 AM   #3
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The EU and other plaintiffs sought formal WTO authorisation to retaliate by imposing new duties against various US products.
Retaliation against what?
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Old November 26th, 2004, 12:34 PM   #4
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What the Hell does "In August, a WTO arbitrator approved penalties of up to 72% of the money collected from foreign exporters and handed to American companies and said the winners should submit lists of potential targets" mean? The winner of what?
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Old November 26th, 2004, 09:26 PM   #5
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Retaliation against what?
You guys are such homers, the US can do no wrong.

Why not statr with the import tariffs GW put on steel. This is violation of our WTO treaties and goies against GW's public global fre trade postion.

Wake up and smell the BS. The US has the weel earned reputation for saying one thing but doing the opposite in world trade.
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Old November 27th, 2004, 07:47 AM   #6
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You guys are such homers, the US can do no wrong.

Why not statr with the import tariffs GW put on steel. This is violation of our WTO treaties and goies against GW's public global fre trade postion.

Wake up and smell the BS. The US has the weel earned reputation for saying one thing but doing the opposite in world trade.
My question wasn't partisan. the article makes no reference to what came before the "retaliation." I don't have any idea what it was refering to.

not everything is about picking a team, Nidan.

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Why not statr with the import tariffs GW put on steel. This is violation of our WTO treaties and goies against GW's public global fre trade postion.
Thank you for the response. This alone would have been a perfectly fine answer...

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Wake up and smell the BS.
...but this is pretty billigerent. I did just wake up. Great way to start the morning by reading about someone telling me that I need to "wake up and smell the BS."
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Old November 27th, 2004, 09:27 AM   #7
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Sorry, that should really have been directed at Mulli.

It's just that I get so frustrated because many of us over here automaticaly assume that the US is the good guy in these disputes. Sometimes we are but often we are not.

This then fans the "we are US, screw em if they don't agree with us' attitude.
This is what the rest of the world sees and it greatly contributes to the lack of trust in the US out there.

Also PWI was involved.
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Old November 27th, 2004, 09:45 AM   #8
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People complain that Bush doesn't do enough to protect American Jobs from going overseas.

Bush puts a terriff of foreign steel to protect the American Steel industry and he gets bashed as well.
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Old November 27th, 2004, 09:56 AM   #9
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Heavy, if I understand correctly you are a tad younger than I am and I suspect haven't travled the world much, correct ? (Read your post on the familiy and your aunt).

The problem is that the rest of the world see actions like that as two faced or hypercritical (spelling ?).

GW and his administration travel the world preaching the gospel of free trade. No tarriffs and markets open to all. Then he turns around and slaps on import tariffs on steel for 2 years, just to buy votes in steel towns.

What you havne't experienced is how other ocuntries see this. To them the US (not just GW) has a habit of saying one thing but doing something quite different. This reduces the trust. Unlike you I have seen it from the other side as I grew up in a very pro US country in Britain, even there the US is/was viewed with suspicion. Its just in the UK, there is a reasonable level of confidence that the US will screw everybody else first before they screw the UK, so they are relativly safe.

This doersn't mean that Americans are disliked or even that nobody trusts the US. It just means that pronouncements from the US Admin are taken with some advisement.

Then the over here if you fbring this up a lot of people start banging the 'patriotic' drum with comments that suggest that they should all bow down before us and appreciate what we give them.

Be assured though, even in that one isolated example I knew of (because how it could have impacted the steel trusses for the stadium), the motivation was votes not jobs. In fact GW preaches that free trade is the answer to more jobs.

This is not to say other countries are not guilty at times as well, far from it but the question is not as simple as some would make out.
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Old November 27th, 2004, 10:14 AM   #10
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Sorry, that should really have been directed at Mulli.

It's just that I get so frustrated because many of us over here automaticaly assume that the US is the good guy in these disputes. Sometimes we are but often we are not.

This then fans the "we are US, screw em if they don't agree with us' attitude.
This is what the rest of the world sees and it greatly contributes to the lack of trust in the US out there.

Also PWI was involved.
Fair 'nuff.
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Old November 27th, 2004, 12:05 PM   #11
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People complain that Bush doesn't do enough to protect American Jobs from going overseas.

Bush puts a terriff of foreign steel to protect the American Steel industry and he gets bashed as well.
And it was well deserved. For some reason, people seem to focus on the producers of products and not the consumers of products when these issues come up.

And don't even get me started on the agricultural subsidies we have in this country....
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Old November 27th, 2004, 03:26 PM   #12
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Its a toss up who is worse and ag subsidies, us or the EU
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Old November 28th, 2004, 05:54 PM   #13
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Actually Bush lifted the steel tarifs last year. I'm curious what the new item is now.
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Old November 28th, 2004, 06:08 PM   #14
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If anything the WTO has sent a very important message to the U.S. - The global trading partners are getting tired of the way the U.S. behaves.
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