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Old October 31st, 2008, 06:10 AM   #76
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Yeah, I know. You'd think they'd have something like this on their site:



Oh, wait. That's where I got that.
I meant specific to this incident, not boilerplate precaution verbage.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 06:11 AM   #77
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I meant specific to this incident, not boilerplate precaution verbage.
Probably running it by the board of directors first. Patience.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 08:11 AM   #78
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I meant specific to this incident, not boilerplate precaution verbage.
You know they aren't going to come out and say anything. They don't bend an inch.

What they do, however, is action. They are very, very good at education programs. It isn't boilerplate, it is their programs and policies. Their words are political, but their actions are good. I don't agree with their strategy of politics, but I hate when people badmouth the NRA as if they don't give two craps about gun safety. They are VERY solid in that regard. Like everything, they aren't some model of greatness, nor are they the devil.
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Old October 31st, 2008, 09:33 AM   #79
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Sorry Donald but until the NRA changes its basic policy it must share the blame for incidents like this.

In any sensibly regulated environment, it would be illegal to give an 8 yr old a gun, let alone a fully auto Uzi. However the NRA would fight that.

Now on the converse side I heard a far more intelligent view from another gun rights group, was on radio but was something like hunting and game and guns .

The point was this. Their take was that Omaba would would to restrict guns more but they were endorsing him despit their fear of that. The main reason was to get a seat at the table in negotiations
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Old October 31st, 2008, 09:51 AM   #80
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I'm looking forward to the day when I'm a crimal for owning an AR-15...
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Old October 31st, 2008, 10:35 AM   #81
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I'm looking forward to the day when I'm a crimal for owning an AR-15...
Ummmmmm..... watcha gonna do?
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Old December 4th, 2008, 06:19 PM   #82
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Police chief indicted after boy killed by Uzi
Thu Dec 4, 2008
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A police chief was indicted on Thursday for involuntary manslaughter in the death of an 8-year-old boy who accidentally shot himself in the head with an Uzi submachine gun at a Massachusetts weapons show.

Christopher Bizilj lost control of the weapon on October 26 at the Machine Gun Shoot & Firearms Expo in Westfield, about 100 miles west of the state capital Boston, police said.

Pelham Police Chief Edward Fleury, owner of COP Firearms & Training that co-sponsored the event, faces another four counts of furnishing a machine gun to someone under age 18.

The grand jury also indicted the sportsman's club where the expo was held and two men who supplied the Uzi that killed the boy.

"It is not a hunting weapon. It has a rate of fire of 1,700 rounds per minute," Hampden County District Attorney William Bennett said of the Uzi.

Under Massachusetts law, children can fire a weapon if they are supervised by a licensed instructor and have consent from a parent or legal guardian. But the law bars the furnishing of machine guns to minors regardless of whether parents consent, said Bennett.

The boy's father was 10 feet behind the boy with a camera as his son fired the weapon.

Fleury was not immediately available for comment.
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Old December 4th, 2008, 06:52 PM   #83
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Old December 4th, 2008, 09:28 PM   #84
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I hope they all get the maximum punishment. I doubt that though.
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Old December 5th, 2008, 10:36 AM   #85
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"It is not a hunting weapon. It has a rate of fire of 1,700 rounds per minute," Hampden County District Attorney William Bennett said of the Uzi.


How in the world can a gun operate that fast? 28 shots by the time you count One thousand one?

They have to be reloaded every second? (Magazine capacity is 25 rounds)

Amazing.
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How in the world can a gun operate that fast? 28 shots by the time you count One thousand one?

They have to be reloaded every second? (Magazine capacity is 25 rounds)

Amazing.
It doesn't.

It is high but not that high...

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg17-e.htm

scroll to the bottom for firing rate.
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Old December 5th, 2008, 10:46 AM   #87
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How in the world can a gun operate that fast? 28 shots by the time you count One thousand one?

They have to be reloaded every second? (Magazine capacity is 25 rounds)

Amazing.
They have 32 and even specialty 50 round mags available for them. This is NOT a gun for someone unable to control their trigger finger, as you would have shredded a target by the time you even realized that the gun went off.

One of my old instructors when I was training to be a State Corrections Officer, claims that he has a picture that was taken when he shot off a full [32 round] Uzi clip. In the snapshot, you can count all 32 shells up in the air. I believe him.
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They have 32 and 50 round mags available for them. This is NOT a gun for someone unable to control their trigger finger, as you would have shredded a target by the time you even realized that the gun went off.

One of my old instructors when I was training to be a State Corrections Officer, claims that he has a picture that was taken when he shot off a full Uzi clip. In the snapshot, you can count all 32 shells up in the air. I believe him.
An Uzi is a waste of ammo IMO...
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Old December 5th, 2008, 11:09 AM   #89
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