Arizona Sports Fans Network  

Go Back   Arizona Sports Fans Network > Other Stuff > Politics and Religion


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old July 20th, 2009, 05:26 AM   #1
CaptTurbo
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 16,772
Send a message via AIM to CaptTurbo

Wowsers! Guess what Obama Health Care will cost you!


If your like me in the 27-29% income tax bracket your income tax if the healthcare passes that Obama wants will be between 57 and 58 percent!


If that isnt socialism what is?

You would be working for the government from January until August/September.

Holy Cow!




CaptTurbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 05:32 AM   #2
DWKB
Registered
 
DWKB's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Little Rock, AR
Age: 36
Posts: 8,541
Quote:
Originally Posted by swd1974 View Post
If your like me in the 27-29% income tax bracket your income tax if the healthcare passes that Obama wants will be between 57 and 58 percent!

If that isnt socialism what is?

You would be working for the government from January until August/September.

Holy Cow!
Replace "Obama" with "House Democrats" and you'd have a lot more correct post.
__________________
"[Rock Chalk Jayhawk] is the greatest college cheer ever devised" --Teddy Roosevelt

Curious that we spend more time congratulating people who have succeeded than encouraging people who have not. --NDT
DWKB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 05:36 AM   #3
LVG
Who?!
 
LVG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Vegas, baby, yeah!
Age: 36
Posts: 12,439
Remove the "a lot more correct" and replace with "a more accurate" and your english would be proper
__________________
RISE UP DARK SIDE

"The problem with quotes on the Internet is that it is often difficult to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln

"I fear the day people post memes on the internet with quotes I've never said." ~Albert Einstein
LVG is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 06:03 AM   #4
Louis
DJ Roomba
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Winning Friends and Influencing the People in My Head
Posts: 5,316
Valid link please.
Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 06:05 AM   #5
Southpaw
Provocateur aka Wallyburger
 
Southpaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: via pacis
Posts: 29,975
Answer to healthcare mess.

Eat well and don't play in traffic.
__________________
"It is easier to fool people, than to convince them they've been fooled."
Mark Twain
Southpaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 06:39 AM   #6
CaptTurbo
Registered
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 16,772
Send a message via AIM to CaptTurbo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis View Post
Valid link please.
No link. Was listing to form Senator D'Amato from NY on the radio. He was explaining it some detail and said the middle class would start a revolt if they had to pay 57-58% income tax which is what the current proposal calls for. (In his words)
CaptTurbo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 06:49 AM   #7
Southpaw
Provocateur aka Wallyburger
 
Southpaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: via pacis
Posts: 29,975
Anyone ever get the feeling that there will be so many absurd proposals that no one will want it, the issue will go away, everyone one will claim it is impossible to change and the rotten system will just go on?

Seriously.
__________________
"It is easier to fool people, than to convince them they've been fooled."
Mark Twain
Southpaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 07:02 AM   #8
Louis
DJ Roomba
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Winning Friends and Influencing the People in My Head
Posts: 5,316
Quote:
Originally Posted by swd1974 View Post
No link. Was listing to form Senator D'Amato from NY on the radio. He was explaining it some detail and said the middle class would start a revolt if they had to pay 57-58% income tax which is what the current proposal calls for. (In his words)
Uh oh...

Quote:
White House senior adviser David Axelrod said the president won't rule out a health care reform bill that includes a tax hike on people making less than $250,000 a year.

"The president had said in the past that he doesn't believe taxing health care benefits at any level is necessarily the best way to go here. He still believes that," Axelrod told me on This Week, "But there are a number of formulations and we'll wait and see. The important thing at this point is to keep the process moving, to keep people at the table, to the keep the discussions going. We've gotten a long way down the road and we want to finish that journey."

I pressed Axelrod on whether Obama will draw a line in the sand and veto any bill that funds health care reform with tax hikes for people making under $250,000 a year -- despite a pledge Barack Obama made during the 2008 presidential campaign not to raise taxes on the poor and middle-class.

"One of the problems we've had in this town is that people draw lines in the sand and they stop talking

to each other. And you don't get anything done. That's not the way the president approaches us. He is very cognizant of protecting people -- middle class people, hard-working people who are trying to get along in a very difficult economy. And he will continue to represent them in these talks," Axelrod said.

"But they're also dealing with punishing health care costs, and that's something that we have to deal with."

The GOP point man in Congress on health care, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Ia., suggested Obama has his work cut out for him in trying to win over Republicans to get a bipartisan bill with his preferred public option that doesn't raise taxes.

"I'm asking, and I think the White House knows my view and the view of a lot of other Republicans. Since the president denigrated John Cain's -- John McCain's effort to move in this direction during the campaign, it's going to take, in order to win over Republicans, presidential leadership in that direction," Grassley told me.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/george/2009...tax-hike-.html

I'm still looking around but found this Axelrod interview applicable to your post.
Louis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 07:10 AM   #9
RugbyMuffin
The Night Hawk
 
RugbyMuffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 23,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by swd1974 View Post
No link. Was listing to form Senator D'Amato from NY on the radio. He was explaining it some detail and said the middle class would start a revolt if they had to pay 57-58% income tax which is what the current proposal calls for. (In his words)
If your like me in the 27-29% income tax bracket your income tax if the healthcare passes that Obama wants will be between 57 and 58 percent!


The question is what income range does that fit ?

[Goes to Google]

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

[Copies and Pastes]

28%: from $82,250 to $171,550
NOTE: The brackets are done INDIVIDUALLY.



My answer with the information above ?

That tax bracket is NOT the middle class, and is far from it. If that is middle class then I cannot wait to be part of it, and I am your stereotypical middle class situation. Engineering job, with a manufacturing company should mean I am middle class. Without giving up too much detail, I am not even close to those numbers, and in all the jobs that I have held I have not come close to those numbers. Furthermore, at each job I rose pretty far up the ladder and didn't come close to those numbers, so, I can't imagine what most of the people below me were making as a salary.

So I think former Senator D'Amato from NY is out of touch with his people, and doesn't really know what he is talking about. I can't blame him, since he has probably lived a life of ridiculous luxiary and cannot fathom making under 80k a year, but his thinking is skewed and wrong. Furthermore, to say something like he did above shows some serious short sighted-ness.

The following tax brackets are where I would imagine 95% of people that work for a living are getting paid are:
15%: from $8,350 to $33,950
25%: from $33,950 to $82,250

So, as much as I sympathize for those who are getting taxed out of their boots. IMO, It is a good problem to have when you are bringing in that kind of coin per year.

My next question is what are the 33% and 35% brackets being taxed ? More I hope, since they are getting the most out of the system.
__________________

2014 Current Roster: Click Here
Cardinals Instagram: Click Here

Last edited by RugbyMuffin; July 20th, 2009 at 07:14 AM.
RugbyMuffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 08:10 AM   #10
Duckjake
Registered
 
Duckjake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Texas
Posts: 32,190
Quote:
The following tax brackets are where I would imagine 95% of people that work for a living are getting paid are:
15%: from $8,350 to $33,950
25%: from $33,950 to $82,250
Don't forget to add in the 15.3% for medicare/medicaid and Social Security.

That makes the real tax rate on income 30.3% and 40.3% instead of 15% and 25%.
__________________
Founding member #2 of the n'er do well club.
Duckjake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 08:15 AM   #11
RedStorm
Next NY Gov
 
RedStorm's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Gilbert
Age: 53
Posts: 9,618
Quote:
Originally Posted by RugbyMuffin View Post
If your like me in the 27-29% income tax bracket your income tax if the healthcare passes that Obama wants will be between 57 and 58 percent!


The question is what income range does that fit ?

[Goes to Google]

http://www.moneychimp.com/features/tax_brackets.htm

[Copies and Pastes]

28%: from $82,250 to $171,550
NOTE: The brackets are done INDIVIDUALLY.



My answer with the information above ?

That tax bracket is NOT the middle class, and is far from it. If that is middle class then I cannot wait to be part of it, and I am your stereotypical middle class situation. Engineering job, with a manufacturing company should mean I am middle class. Without giving up too much detail, I am not even close to those numbers, and in all the jobs that I have held I have not come close to those numbers. Furthermore, at each job I rose pretty far up the ladder and didn't come close to those numbers, so, I can't imagine what most of the people below me were making as a salary.

So I think former Senator D'Amato from NY is out of touch with his people, and doesn't really know what he is talking about. I can't blame him, since he has probably lived a life of ridiculous luxiary and cannot fathom making under 80k a year, but his thinking is skewed and wrong. Furthermore, to say something like he did above shows some serious short sighted-ness.

The following tax brackets are where I would imagine 95% of people that work for a living are getting paid are:
15%: from $8,350 to $33,950
25%: from $33,950 to $82,250

So, as much as I sympathize for those who are getting taxed out of their boots. IMO, It is a good problem to have when you are bringing in that kind of coin per year.

My next question is what are the 33% and 35% brackets being taxed ? More I hope, since they are getting the most out of the system.
God bless those that take risks and employee people in this world. They are getting the "most" becase they are taking on the "most" risks. If you dont like your wage then dont stay where you are at. Get up and go out and taking on the "most" demanding and risky job of creating wealth and jobs. Good luck.
__________________
Yeah, Stormy's probably on to something. - Rivercard

Sense MAKER!!!
Blasphemer!!!
Burn him!!!!

He speaks in tongues of logic and common sense, this troubles us and must be dealt with swiftly. - conraddobler
RedStorm is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 08:30 AM   #12
RugbyMuffin
The Night Hawk
 
RugbyMuffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 23,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStorm View Post
God bless those that take risks and employee people in this world. They are getting the "most" becase they are taking on the "most" risks. If you dont like your wage then dont stay where you are at. Get up and go out and taking on the "most" demanding and risky job of creating wealth and jobs. Good luck.
WOW!

Uh, I don't remember having a complaint. Just saying the situation is what it is.

If you where able to start up your own business that is great. You should be happy that your hard work paid off.

But regardless, it all happened in this society's system. The oppourtunity arose for a business to have a chance to be born and grow. All this was done within the system. Thus what you are getting out of the system is more than others, hence the statement "getting the most out of said system." You didn't pay for your own police force, you didn't build the office building with your own stone, your employees didn't build the building, your credit card charges aren't processed by your business, etc., etc. Regardless if you are the owner of the business, your success is still as a part of society.

If you want a pat on the back for starting and upkeeping a successful self-business then I can give you one. Yet, money wise, there are plenty of programs from small business owners, and those programs are there because of the immense amount of work, money, and responsibilty that goes into a small business. Take advantage of those well deserved breaks, programs and policies since they are there as a reward for starting a small business. Not to mention if you are making money hand over fist, then you have the oppourunity to hire an accountant that could probably help pay even less in taxes.

I was merely displaying the numbers behind the topic at hand. I could care less how you ended up making more money than most. The fact of the matter is, the numbers are the numbers and how you fall under those numbers is a moot point.

You don't like how the numbers go together ? Then vote, write you congressmen, etc., etc. But if you looking for sympathy from me because you feel you have taken risks, worked hard, etc., etc and are being "taken to the cleaners by the government"?

Then tell you story walking. I work my arse off, and have not [thought of/been given] the oppourtunity to venture out on my own yet. If a person starts a business, and it succeeds, then the risk has been rewarded, the oppourunity was taken and implemented to its fulliest, and as I said before congratulations. But, you are now compensated for said success by way of having a HUGE income that 77% of the people won't see in three lifetimes, I can't imagine what else you feel you are owed outside of making a all of that money.
__________________

2014 Current Roster: Click Here
Cardinals Instagram: Click Here

Last edited by RugbyMuffin; July 20th, 2009 at 08:52 AM.
RugbyMuffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 08:36 AM   #13
MigratingOsprey
Thank You Paul!
 
MigratingOsprey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Goodyear
Posts: 8,393
there are many places where those in that income range are firmly in the middle class

you have to account for wage inflation in places with a high cost of living

not to mention a lot of people in that income range have very large educational cost burdens

just because you're comfortable doesn't mean you're rich and just because you have some flexibility doesn't mean your safe from volatility
__________________
"Memories and drinks don't mix too well"
MigratingOsprey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 08:37 AM   #14
arthurracoon
The Cardinal Smiles
 
arthurracoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Nashville
Age: 27
Posts: 16,516
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duckjake View Post
Don't forget to add in the 15.3% for medicare/medicaid and Social Security.

That makes the real tax rate on income 30.3% and 40.3% instead of 15% and 25%.
holy cow. is it really an extra 15 percent?!?!

fortunately, I don't have to pay for those due to the "living expenses" stipend that I will be receiving for the next 8 years
__________________
Signed,

arthurpostpadder

arthurracoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 20th, 2009, 08:39 AM   #15
RugbyMuffin
The Night Hawk
 
RugbyMuffin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 23,924
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedStorm View Post
God bless those that take risks and employee people in this world. They are getting the "most" becase they are taking on the "most" risks. If you dont like your wage then dont stay where you are at. Get up and go out and taking on the "most" demanding and risky job of creating wealth and jobs. Good luck.
While I agree that we should be thankful for the innovators and the "risk" takers out there, lets not get too carried away.

This is a good topic but it has been talked about, and I have had my bouts with if and when to "take a risk". See the link below.

http://www.arizonasportsfans.com/vb/...ghlight=Coward

I look up to those who have the vision, drive, and ability to make there own way in this country. They deserve respect, there is no doubt about that.

But as I said, lets not get carried away. If these "risks" were so easy to take on, then why wouldn't everyone do it ?

I would love to start my own business, I would love to take a "risk" but if I don't have a good idea, then why would I ? Risks are one thing, jumping off a cliff with a pair of paper wings is another.
__________________

2014 Current Roster: Click Here
Cardinals Instagram: Click Here

Last edited by RugbyMuffin; July 20th, 2009 at 08:55 AM.
RugbyMuffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks





Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Sitemap:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38
 



Latest Threads
- by az jam
- by Zeno
- by FArting
 







All times are GMT -8. The time now is 02:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Copyright © 2002 - 2014 ArizonaSportsFans.com
Inactive Reminders By Icora Web Design