Wow What timing eh?

swd1974 · September 24th, 2008, 05:53 AM

I was registered Republic and now am registered as a Dem (just until the extreme right leaves)

I get in the mail a DVD called Obsession. Its a 60 minute DVD about how if we dont all unite and give our government 100% control of our lives we will all die shortly from Muslim extremists.

Wonder who could have funded that brilliant idea?

nidan · September 24th, 2008, 09:30 AM

Same here but I stayed registered as a Rep so I can vote against extreme right candidates in primaries

Heucrazy · September 24th, 2008, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by nidan

Same here but I stayed registered as a Rep so I can vote against extreme right candidates in primaries

Ugh, do you have any idea how disgusting the Romney supporters were at the NV cacuses?

I was preaching secular government over and over again and I got some dirty ass looks and not to nice comments.

swd1974 · September 24th, 2008, 10:27 AM

In Nevada when they started taking the votes and the first 6 were for Ron Paul they closed the meeting and said they would do the voting beind closed doors. As anti-american as you get.

swd1974 · September 24th, 2008, 10:33 AM

RENO, Nev.— Outmaneuvered by raucous Ron Paul supporters, Nevada Republican Party leaders abruptly shut down their state convention and now must resume the event to complete a list of 31 delegates to the GOP national convention.

Outnumbered supporters of expected Republican presidential nominee John McCain faced off Saturday against well-organized Paul supporters. A large share of the more than 1,300 state convention delegates enabled Paul supporters to get a rule change positioning them for more national convention delegate slots than expected.

"I've seen factions walk out. I've never seen a party walk out," said Jeff Greenspan, regional coordinator for the Paul campaign.

Delegates cheered earlier in the day as former presidential hopeful Mitt Romney urged support for McCain. Later, though, Paul got even louder applause as he delivered his message of individual freedom and fiscal responsibility.

State Sen. Bob Beers, the convention chairman, was booed loudly as he called for a recess Saturday evening. He said the party's rental contract for a big meeting room at a Reno hotel-casino had expired and there was too much work left to complete.

State GOP Chairwoman Sue Lowden said the rules change wasn't anticipated.

She denied any anti-Paul bias, saying expected slates of national delegates were prepared through a fair and open process by the convention's nominations committee and the party thought the convention would accept them.

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My comment: They recessed just as 6 of the first 8 delegates voted for Paul.

nidan · September 24th, 2008, 12:00 PM

While not convinced that I want to sign up for all Ron Paul's ideas.

The first 30% or so might be a good start

DieHardCardFan · September 24th, 2008, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by swd1974

In Nevada when they started taking the votes and the first 6 were for Ron Paul they closed the meeting and said they would do the voting beind closed doors. As anti-american as you get.

There was some good video footage of this on youtube right afterwards. The video was from delegates in the auditorium. They were trying to get enough members to go to forum, but the McCain supports would not allow themselves to be counted as present. I was so mad !! What a crock of cr@p!

Divide Et Impera · September 24th, 2008, 05:38 PM

Is this it?

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=43983

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POLITICS: Neo-cons, Ex-Israeli Diplomats Push Islamophobic Video
By Ali Gharib and Eli Clifton*

WASHINGTON, Sep 24 (IPS) - A group of hard-line U.S. neo-conservatives and former Israeli diplomats, among others, are behind the mass distribution, ahead of the November U.S. presidential election, of a controversial DVD that critics have denounced as Islamophobic.

The group, the Endowment for Middle East Truth (EMET), is working with another organisation called the Clarion Fund, which produced the 60-minute video and is itself tied closely to an Israeli organisation called Aish Hatorah.

The Fund is currently distributing some 28 million copies of the DVD through newspaper inserts in key electoral ''swing'' states -- states like Michigan, Ohio, and Florida that, according to recent polling, could go either way in November's presidential election.

According to Delaware incorporation papers, the Clarion Fund is based at the same New York address as Aish Hatorah, a self-described "apolitical" group dedicated to educating Jews about their heritage.

The Clarion Fund's street address as listed on the group's website and a DVD mailer for the film is apparently not a physical address, but rather a "virtual address" that goes to a post office box in New York City.

Critics allege that the movie "Obsession" is "hate propaganda" which paints Muslims as violent extremists and, among other things, explicitly compares the threat posed by radical Islam to that of Nazi Germany in the 1930s.

At least two major metropolitan newspapers solicited to insert the paid advertisement into their product have refused to do so because of a perceived bias in the film.

"Despite the perilous state of American newspapers, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch advertising department took an ethical stand and refused to distribute the DVD of a film that for two years has troubled American Muslims," wrote Tim Townsend, a reporter at Missouri's most influential newspaper earlier this month after it rejected the ad.

While the initial press reports about the mass distribution focused on the Clarion Fund's financing role, it was EMET that organised and oversaw the distribution, EMET's spokesman, Ari Morgenstern, told IPS. Morgenstern, a former press officer for the Israeli embassy here, said he contacted IPS at the Clarion Fund's request.

EMET, according to a recent press release, is "a non-partisan, non-profit organisation dedicated to policy research and analysis on democracy and the Middle East."

According to filings made in compliance with the organisation's tax-exempt 501(c)3 status, "the organisation hosts seminars, debates and educational films featuring Middle East experts in order to educate policymakers and the public at large on the common threats facing Israel and the United States."

Morgenstern told IPS that EMET was "partnered with the Clarion Fund" on what he called the "Obsession Project" which he identified as "an initiative of EMET". He declined to name the Project's donors. A spokesman for the Clarion Fund, Gregory Ross, has also refused to name the Fund's donors, whose identity remains a mystery.

Morgenstern also declined to specify the cost of the DVD distribution, but did say, "it costs a great deal -- it's a multi-million-dollar effort." Outside experts have estimated the cost of the operation, including reproduction and distribution, at between 15 million dollars and 50 million dollars.

Like hard-line neo-conservatives, EMET opposes any land concessions to Palestinians and takes other hard-line positions identified with Israel's right-wing Likud Party and the ''Settler Lobby'' there. EMET's website says, "We regard ourselves as 'intellectual revolutionaries'".

The group's acronym, EMET, mirrors the name of a predecessor to the Foundation for the Defence of Democracies, which was called Emet. The word means "truth" in Hebrew.

Two weeks ago, EMET sponsored a seminar series on Capitol Hill named for the controversial multi-billionaire casino and hotel magnate Sheldon Adelson, a major donor to right-wing Zionist organisations in the U.S.; the far-right lobby group, Freedom's Watch; and the Republican Jewish Coalition (RJC), whose efforts to persuade Jewish voters that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is aligned with radical anti-Israel forces in the Islamic world have drawn strong criticism from the mainstream Jewish press here.

EMET's board of advisers includes a list of familiar neo-conservative figures, as well as three former Israeli diplomats, including a former deputy chief of mission in Israel's Washington embassy.

The group is headed by Sarah Stern, who began her activism on Israeli issues in opposition to the 1993 Oslo Accords between Israel and Palestinians. She made a career out of her activism in the far-right Zionist Organisation of America (ZOA) as its national policy coordinator from 1998 through 2004.

Notable members of the advisory board include prominent hard-line neo-conservatives, including former U.S. U.N. Amb. the late Jeane Kirkpatrick; Daniel Pipes of the Middle East Forum; and the Hudson Institute's Meyrav Wurmser, the Israeli-born spouse of Vice President Dick Cheney's former top Middle East adviser, David Wurmser.

Other prominent neo-conservative members of the board include Centre for Security Policy (CSP) president Frank Gaffney; former CIA chief James Woolsey; and Heritage Foundation fellows Ariel Cohen and Nina Shea, who has also served for years on the quasi-governmental U.S. Commission for International Religious Freedom.

The U.S.-born and -educated hard-line deputy managing editor of the Jerusalem Post and senior fellow for Middle Eastern Affairs at Gaffney's CSP, Caroline Glick, is also an adviser.

Glick, Pipes, and Walid Shoebat, a "reformed" terrorist and EMET adviser, are all featured as experts in "Obsession".

Also among the top names of listed advisers to EMET are three Israeli diplomats. Two of them, Ambassadors Yossi Ben Aharon and Yoram Ettinger, were among the three Israeli ambassadors whom then-Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin referred to as "the Three Musketeers" when they lobbied Washington in opposition to the Oslo accords. Indeed, Stern began her career at the behest of three unnamed Israeli diplomats who were based in Washington under Rabin's predecessor, Yitzhak Shamir, according to EMET's website.

Ettinger was at one time the chairman of special projects and is still listed as a contributing expert at the Ariel Centre for Policy Research, a hard-line Likudist Israeli think tank that opposes the peace process.

Ben Aharon was the director general -- effectively the chief of staff -- of Shamir's office.

The third Israeli ambassador, Lenny Ben-David, was appointed by Likud prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu to serve as the deputy chief of mission -- second in command -- at the Israeli embassy in Washington from 1997 until 2000. Ben-David had also held senior positions at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee for 25 years and is now a consultant and lobbyist.

But EMET is not the only group involved in the "Obsession" controversy to have direct ties to Israel.

The Clarion Fund has also been criticised for initially denying its ties to the Israel's Aish Hatorah, which were first disclosed publicly by an IPS investigation last year.

Honestreporting.com, an organisation set up by Aish Hatorah and also a client of Ben-David, admitted to IPS that it had aided the production of the film.

The Clarion Fund and Aish Hatorah are headed by twin Israeli-Canadian brothers Raphael and Ephraim Shore, respectively. The two groups appear to be connected as Clarion is incorporated in Delaware to the New York offices of Aish Hatorah.

"It seems that the Clarion Fund, from what we can tell, is just a virtual organisation that is a front for Aish Hatorah," Ibrahim Hooper, spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), told IPS. "They don't have staff, they don't have a physical address. Nothing."

Little is known about the shadowy Clarion Fund, which is listed with the New York Secretary of State's office as a "foreign not-for-profit foundation." The group has rejected requests for information about its donors.

IPS has, however, uncovered one donor to the Clarion Fund, the Mamiye Foundation, which gave it 25,000 dollars in August of 2007, according to tax filings. Four Mamiyes, Charles M., Charles D., Hyman and Abraham, are listed as trustees on the forms.

According to filings with the New York Secretary of State, a contact listed for a Mamiye company is also the same man listed as a contact and counsel for the Clarion Fund -- Eli D. Greenberg of the law firm Wolf, Haldenstein, Adler, Freeman and Herz.

Foreign nationals and companies, and domestic tax-exempt 501(c)3 non-profits are prohibited by federal election law from attempting to sway U.S. elections at any level through either contributions to campaigns or advocacy.

Morgenstern, EMET's spokesman, said that the DVD distribution only went to "swing states" because media attention is focused there, and EMET is hoping to spark a public debate about the threats posed by" radical Islam".

But CAIR has filed a complaint asking the Federal Election Commission to review the actions of the Clarion Fund both as a foreign entity and as a non-profit.

The complaint by Nadhira Al-Khalili, CAIR's legal counsel, asked that both charges be investigated.

*Jim Lobe contributed to this story.

(END/2008)

AzCards21 · September 24th, 2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by nidan

While not convinced that I want to sign up for all Ron Paul's ideas.

The first 30% or so might be a good start

The first 1% would be more of a start than what we can expect with either McCain or Obama.

RugbyMuffin · September 25th, 2008, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by swd1974

I get in the mail a DVD called Obsession. Its a 60 minute DVD about how if we dont all unite and give our government 100% control of our lives we will all die shortly from Muslim extremists.

That is hilarious.

Whomever sent you that is an idiot.

Let's get one thing straight. If americans didn't have to "play by the rules" in any war, and could go project extermination of everything in sight it would be over in a month.

Second, I would like to see a country try.....just try to come and invade the USA. Sure, we quibble about petty differences between ourselves, but you stand on our doorstep and start shooting you are going to see one unified PO'd, educated, technological militia that would be a force to be recokened with.

Taken over by Muslims.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Louis · September 29th, 2008, 07:49 AM

Speaking of terrorism and Muslims...

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Chemical irritant empties Islamic Society of Greater Dayton's mosque

Update: Islamic Society baffled by incident at worship service

By Kyle Nagel
Staff Writer

Saturday, September 27, 2008

DAYTON — Baboucarr Njie was preparing for his prayer session Friday night, Sept. 26, when he heard children in the Islamic Society of Greater Dayton coughing. Soon, Njie himself was overcome with fits of coughing and, like the rest of those in the building, headed for the doors.

"I would stay outside for a minute, then go back in, there were a lot of kids," Njie said. "My throat is still itchy, I need to get some milk."

Njie was one of several affected when a suspected chemical irritant was sprayed into the mosque at 26 Josie St., bringing Dayton police, fire and hazardous material personnel to the building at 9:48 p.m.

Someone "sprayed an irritant into the mosque," Dayton fire District Chief Vince Wiley said, noting that fire investigators believe it was a hand-held spray can.

According to fire dispatch communications, a child reported seeing two men with a white can spraying something into a window. That child was brought to the supervising firefighter at the scene.

Wiley would not discuss that report, but said the investigation has been turned over to police. Police were not commenting.

The 300 or so inside were celebrating the last 10 days of Ramadan with dinner and a prayer session, but the prayer session was interrupted so those suffering from tearing, coughing and shortness of breath could receive treatment.

Wiley said an adult and juvenile were taken to area hospitals and others had their eyes or faces washed on the scene. He did not know how many people were treated at the scene.
Ismail Gula, ISGD secretary, said people were praying during the weekly service when some in the audience began to cough and experience breathing troubles, then left the building. Once outside, several of them called 911, Gula said.

Tarek Sabagh, a member of the ISGD board, wasn't present when the incident occurred.
He said his daughter called and told him to stay away because of the possibility of remaining fumes. Sabagh arrived shortly after and watched from the mosque's steps as members were allowed back inside about 11 p.m. to collect belongings.

"It's very disturbing," Sabagh said. "Something like this has never happened before."
Sabagh said members moved to a Beavercreek school to finish their prayer session as police continued to investigate.

"I don't know if people will have the feeling of trust to come back tomorrow or next week or next month," Sabagh said. "I don't know how people will feel."

Ramadan is the ninth month of the Muslim calendar. During the month, Muslims fast (do not eat) from sunrise to sunset. In the evening and in the morning before the sun comes up, they eat small meals. During this month, they take extra time for family, inner reflection, and spiritual growth.

Contact this reporter at (937) 225-7389 or knagel@DaytonDailyNews.com.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/n/con...svc=7&cxcat=16

AZZenny · September 29th, 2008, 09:24 AM

FWIW -- I met one of the guys who put 'Obsession' together. It should be noted that the film is largely made of excerpts and quotes taken directly from leading islamists, including many the US State Dept. tends to consider 'moderate' -- and they are anything but.

The point they were trying to make, he said, is that we are being misled so easily to accept radicals as if they were moderate voices -- that the influence of radical Islam is insinuating itself far more widely into the culture of Islam AND the West than most Westerners can imagine.

After the CT conference I just went to, listening to top people from 50 nations talk, I am here to tell you -- it is absolutely true. 'Obsession' may be hysterical in tone, but it is not really inaccurate. If it is 'hate' talk, that's because it is showing and quoting hate talk.

I don't know about the Clarion Group, but Aish HaTorah is a very well-respected Israeli-American organization which is trying to promote 'modern Orthodox Judaism' as a middle ground between fundamentalist Judaism and non-descript 'secularized Judaism.' Their Rabbis, some of whom I have met, are really very good teachers and thinkers. (One other goal they have is to reclaim Jewish culture from the legacy of the Holocaust -- they are disturbed that so much of contemporary Jewish teaching and identity is defined by that, and the long prior history of art, literature, philosophy, etc. has been nearly obliterated.)

That said, they are definitely into Israel having firm, defensible borders, meaning some or all of the West bank, and are totally and unequivocably opposed to a divided Jerusalem (as am I, having been there 3 times).

btw, I just stayed at the B and B of the former editor of the Jerusalem Post and enjoyed conversations with him -- he left when it was bought up by a European far-right conglomerate several years ago and people like Caroline Glick were brought on board. She's such a hack. (At least Daniel Pipes is actually a scholar. Too shrill in his perspective for my comfort, but he's extremely well-informed and his concerns have substance.)

That the Aish folks are opposed to the Oslo Accords is not unusual -- That's mainstream for Israelis AND Arabs who live with it. I'd say probably two thirds or more of Israelis now recognize the Oslo Accords were a disaster for all concerned; even many lefty-moderates privately admit the nay-sayers were dead-right about Oslo, and about the Gaza and Lebanon withdrawals, in terms of pure security concerns. That's why 80% now oppose any Golan compromise with Syria -- because so far the land-for-peace swaps have backfired badly.

Louis · September 29th, 2008, 09:44 AM

There is another report out there regarding the incident I posted above.

Trying to connect this DVD to what happened above. Especially because it appears as though the video was massively distributed in swing states and they (The Clarion Fund) have endorsed John McCain.

The distribution to swing states and the way it was done does raise questions as to the intent.

But no judgement can be made about this event until the terrorists who gassed the ISGD are caputred and their motives revealed.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations has requested the FEC to investigate the distribution of the DVD.

82CardsGrad · September 29th, 2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RugbyMuffin

That is hilarious.

Whomever sent you that is an idiot.

Let's get one thing straight. If americans didn't have to "play by the rules" in any war, and could go project extermination of everything in sight it would be over in a month.

Second, I would like to see a country try.....just try to come and invade the USA. Sure, we quibble about petty differences between ourselves, but you stand on our doorstep and start shooting you are going to see one unified PO'd, educated, technological militia that would be a force to be recokened with.

Taken over by Muslims.......HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

The "threats" from radical Islam are varied of course, but are hardly ever derived from a country itself posing as a threat to the U.S. It is an ideaology... a cancerous form of beliefs, of life-rule... Zenny can speak to this much more intimately than I can for sure, however, as someone who travels the globe - particularly Europe, I can attest to the spread of this cancer and the damage it has caused many European societies...
America has been afflicted with this cancer. It's probably somewhere between Stage 1 and Stage 2 cancer - but we have it nonetheless...
To combat this cancer, it is not about relinquishing complete control of our country and our lives to the government... Quite the contrary actually. We need leadership that can clearly articulate the threat this cancer poses, and then unite our country in a way that delivers chemo to this cancer while it still can be treated. If left unchecked and if our country continues to ineffectively deal with this threat - largely due to horrific leadership in Washington - it will progress as it has in Europe, getting to the point where it becomes impossible to eradicate.
America, like Europe, is largely at a point of appeasement... We've been desensitized to this threat. Kinda like we're numb to it - which is amazing when you think that the USS Cole and 9/11th attacks were not all that long ago... You go to places like Detroit, Atlanta, and many other inner-cities and it's actually quite astonishing to see how many mosques there really are, and how many muslims are walking around. Many of whom are of course decent, law-abiding citizens... But...

The next President needs to be able to grasp this incredibly complex situation, and then present it to America in a way that the Americans can understand it and what it means to us...
It's much easier to continue on and simply say, "Hey, we're America! Radical Islam can never take root here!"
But of course, we only need to look as far as London, Eastern Europe and even to the north in Canada to find real examples of what a lazy and careless approach to this issue leads to...

AZZenny · September 29th, 2008, 03:43 PM

Every now and then, 82, the gravitational pull of distant galaxies coalesce, and we share a position on something almost exactly. Then a random bit of cosmic grit throws off the alignment and we're diametrically opposed on everything.

You just described the issue we face as well as anyone I've heard - lucid, pragmatic, and not hysterical. And for the skeptics -- this is exactly the plan of action written up by the Muslim Brotherhood in a Philadelphia meeting in 1993. It is exactly the approach described by Shiraz Maher, who is one of the few true extremist insiders to leave the radical fold.
btw -- try as they might to shed or obscure their original tight connection the the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR doesn't really speak for moderate American Muslims.