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Old September 13th, 2006, 10:15 PM   #1
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Why is no-one talking about what Bush said last week?!


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COURIC: You have said, "We can't cut and run," on more than one occasion. "We have to stay until we win, otherwise, we'll be fighting the terrorists here at home on our own streets." So, what do you mean exactly by that, Mr. President?

BUSH: Well, I mean that a defeat in Iraq will embolden the enemy and will provide the enemy more opportunity to train, plan, to attack us. That's what I mean. There -- it's -- you know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror. I believe it. But the American people have gotta understand that a defeat in Iraq -- in other words, if this government there fails, the terrorists will be emboldened, the radicals will topple moderate governments.



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Holy hell. There it is in black & white.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 10:56 PM   #2
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I see what you're trying to say by taking one sentence out of context, but it doesn't work.

He's saying what a lot of us have been saying. If we cut and run in Iraq, heck if we weren't there to begin with, the terrorists would be here blowing up our homes, offices, grocery stores, civilians, police officers, etc.

Iraq and the war on terror are connected.

Most people do not look at the big picture. They see the headlines about soldiers dying and think "Let's pull all our guys out of there" without thinking of the consequences.
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Old September 13th, 2006, 11:04 PM   #3
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Iraq and the war on terror are connected.

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NOW they are...They were not connected BEFORE we invaded... That is the big picture many fail to realize... Our failure to secure Iraq borders and poor planning is what has EMBOLDEND the terrorists.

IT would have been nice if the PNAC pubs would have thought of the consequences of such a foolish plan.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 12:33 AM   #4
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I see what you're trying to say by taking one sentence out of context, but it doesn't work.
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There's NO WAY to take it out of context. It's right there Brian, no denial necessary.

"one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror."

He's admitting to being a liar, a manipulator, and at the same time inferring he's a war profiteer, selling a war to the people by connecting a soverign entity with the acts of terrorism we've seen in the last 5-10 years, namely 9/11.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 02:40 AM   #5
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There's NO WAY to take it out of context.
And yet you did it again.

C'mon Vince. You have to look at what he said in response to her question. That is the context.

His comment is not about pre-war Iraq and 9/11. His comment is about how Iraq right now is connected to the war on terror.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 05:52 AM   #6
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Old September 14th, 2006, 06:13 AM   #7
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COURIC: You have said, "We can't cut and run," on more than one occasion. "We have to stay until we win, otherwise, we'll be fighting the terrorists here at home on our own streets." So, what do you mean exactly by that, Mr. President?

BUSH: Well, I mean that a defeat in Iraq will embolden the enemy and will provide the enemy more opportunity to train, plan, to attack us. That's what I mean. There -- it's -- you know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror. I believe it. But the American people have gotta understand that a defeat in Iraq -- in other words, if this government there fails, the terrorists will be emboldened, the radicals will topple moderate governments.


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Holy hell. There it is in black & white.
Concidering his inability to use the english language w/ any authority and the context of his reply, I think this is an example of him trying to say one thing and it sounding like something else. I think all he was trying to say is that he believes Iraq is part of his 'war on terror' and it is hard to convince the American public of that.
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Old September 14th, 2006, 06:37 AM   #8
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The answer? Because the man has no credibility and most Americans stopped believing him a long time ago.
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If we cut and run in Iraq, heck if we weren't there to begin with, the terrorists would be here blowing up our homes, offices, grocery stores, civilians, police officers, etc.
Thats not what iran thinks:

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I want a war on wars.

Wars should be defined as only conflicts between two or more nations involving standing or traditional type armies.

Why dosen't Bush call it a Jihad against terror?
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I want a war on wars.

Wars should be defined as only conflicts between two or more nations involving standing or traditional type armies.

Why dosen't Bush call it a Jihad against terror?
I second that emotion.

Like the good old days. Two willing participants out in the middle of nowhere with hand held ancient weapons. No bullets or bombs allowed.
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