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Finally, it possible to see in the Second, Third, and Fifth Amendments, with their promises of a civilian militia, of freedom from the quartering of troops among us, and of the benefits of due process, the visible protrusions of a larger, submerged constitutional principle which bars the use of the armed forces to solve civilian inconveniences.
During Katrina or 9-11 or is it just convienent for you now during time of paranoia?
There is a huge difference between the national guard and an Army brigade being assigned to Northcom...
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Quite a leap from awareness to cynicism to paranoia. Events that have occurred during this administration might have, at the time, seemed unthinkable. The twisting and flaunting of the human rights by these events and structure have created a heightened sense of mistrust and awareness, by some that is not indicative of a state of paranoia, but a state of possibility.
Adding to the mistrust is the activity shrouded in mystery surrounding this action without explanation or legality. There is a reason these laws ( i.e. Posse comitatus etc. ) exist.
Paranoia is a disturbed thought process characterized by excessive anxiety or fear, often to the point of irrationality and delusion. To tag one with paranoia is at least insulting and probably misguided. This event is playing out like a scary movie plot.
Let's not forget to factor in the state of mind of the returning combat stressed personnel who have been rotated to this new duty. That in itself is extremely frightening. Rational minded people have been warning about the concerns surrounding these returning troops and their mental state.
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There is a huge difference between the national guard and an Army brigade being assigned to Northcom...
Not as much as you think, since National Guardsman are serving tours overseas.
Where's the AP or Reuters newswire press release about this event? I don't know, I can't find it.
If you read the blog that Wally linked to, it fails to mention just which unit it is:
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...The Infantry Division's 1st Brigade Team is back from Iraq, now training for domestic operations under the control of U.S. Army North...
Which Infantry Division are we talking about here? I looked it up, it's the US Army 3rd Infantry Division. This just happens to be a full-time unit, not a reserve unit, not a Guard unit.
So they are deploying an active Army unit to NORTHCOM command. Big deal. This is about as newsworthy as me moving from Dallas, OR to Mesa, AZ to work for Motorola.
I'm sure that there is a base somewhere near you that should be scaring the **** out of you right now I guess.
Have fun with your paranoid fun. I just hope that there isn't anybody gullible enough to read all this and think that we are on the brink of a coup d’état.
Let's not forget to factor in the state of mind of the returning combat stressed personnel who have been rotated to this new duty. That in itself is extremely frightening. Rational minded people have been warning about the concerns surrounding these returning troops and their mental state.
That I take strong exception to. Without exception (although I'm sure there are many) the Iraq vets I've met - even the ones with PTSD - treasure our freedoms and accept an ethical responsibility that they identify as American fairness, after what they've seen of autocracy/corporatocracy/Islam or all three. These folks are exhausted, depressed, irritable, etc., but the vast majority are neither trigger-happy nor are they zombies. They'd be more likely to frag an officer who gave them orders to violently suppress a civilian demonstration, I suspect.
Now the other -- Got sidetracked and started reading a different Cheney book, "The Dark Side," about Cheney's response to 9/11 and how torture and interrogation came so easily to this administration. Just a couple chapters in, and I'm once more fully convinced that this guy and his coterie are capable of anything. Their arrogance and smug self-righteousness are incredible. I think maybe someday they'll teach Machiavelli-Rasputin-Cheney all together in poli sci classes.
The 'take out Obama' idea is a simplistic option, Shane. You're thinking small -- and small is too obvious. These guys don't think small. What they do think, this book has already convinced me, is far more paranoid (e.g. with me or against me, every citizen a potential terrorist (aka 'commies under the beds'), no threat too far-fetched to plan for, etc.) than many of us are capable of on our most wound-up late night. They were caught flat-footed on 9/11 and Cheney vowed never to let that happen again. His idea of 'securing America' has no place for the Constitution or the citizens. And they have still got the power to make this $#!t real.
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Well a few explanations of what they are here "not" to do, but not anything about what they are here to do. No explanation for why "they" are back and not a National guard unit.
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In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
"The moment you think you got it figured...you're wrong." Mr. Rate
Have fun with your paranoid fun. I just hope that there isn't anybody gullible enough to read all this and think that we are on the brink of a coup d’état.
So you're saying that I can leave the bunker?
That's good news, but I think I'll wait a day or two before I give the girl this message.
Who the hell cares about Farmington, NM except for the people that live there?
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We live in a world which is full of misery and ignorance, and the plain duty of each and all of us is to try to make the little corner he can influence somewhat less miserable and somewhat less ignorant than it was before he entered it.
The timing was just a little suspicious to me is all. It is the second largest natural gas reserve in the United States. Plus they have two very large coal fired power plants up in the region. Those plants supply power to nearly 600,000 homes in the SW.
Probably just shoring up homeland security. It's all good.
I'd be happy as a clam to be labled paranoid and have the elections go off without a hitch but I will say this.
I want OUR rights back, I'm going to volunteer for Obama this weekend and make that perfectly clear, as in you will do this or lose my support and vote next time around, I want the entire Bush doctrine unwound, with all due haste.
See I don't care if Obama is a tax and spend liberal, I don't care, I can survive that, I can't survive much longer under these consittuionally challenged clowns.
Meanwhile I'll just smile at being made fun of because if we're having this conversation all hope is not lost yet.
That's a great thing.
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At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
Tell me Zenny what exactly does your son in law believe it to be then? What exactly has you so unsettled bout it? I would love to hear? I would love to hear what you all think is the "real" reason you believe this exercise to be taking place and what the consequences of it will be?
It's not what precisely what this exercise means. Maybe it's nothing pertinent at all. However, it is the fear that the executive branch has expanded it's power to an alarming extent that is worrisome... where our country is now fighting preemptive wars for no valid reason (there was no imminent threat to our country from Iraq as told), wiretapping of American citizens is now taking place without cause, subpoenas are ignored, habeas corpus is irrelevant and torture is condoned.
It's also the feeling that something beautiful is slipping away piece by piece. There are also others out there who remember Kent State and our country fighting the other war that shouldn't have been fought... Vietnam. Sometime Goggle the Gulf of Tonkin and also read about the Domino Theory... that the world would fall to communism if we left that country. It's our duty as U.S. citizens to question what our country does. IMO, it's the truest form of patriotism.
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