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Old August 5th, 2007, 09:15 PM   #1
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What would it take?


What violation or egregious act of government would it take for you to actively try to overthrow the U.S. government?

I thought of a few.

1. Repealing my second amendment rights. As long as I'm alive I will never give up that right. You'll have to raid my house, and I'll be dug in.

2. Electing to be governed by a world government.

3. The government forfeiting/surrendering/giving away U.S. soil to another nation. I'm talking about the United States, not our territories.

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Old August 5th, 2007, 09:37 PM   #2
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2nd amendment. I'm right there with you.

Me, you, 100%, Ken, and PCF would start our own militia.

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Old August 5th, 2007, 09:51 PM   #3
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So if you had to choose between first amendment rights and second amendment rights, you'd choose second amendment rights?
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Old August 5th, 2007, 11:20 PM   #4
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So if you had to choose between first amendment rights and second amendment rights, you'd choose second amendment rights?
You betcha! You can't take away my first amendment rights without first taking away my second amendment rights.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 08:01 AM   #5
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Clear and open Government abrogation of Constitutional Amendments I through VI of the Bill of Rights. Any one of these being reversed or suspended by passing a law or by executive fiat whether in war or peacetime would equal a totalitarian or police state IMO, and at that point it's no longer my government.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 08:06 AM   #6
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Folster - what if the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment only applied to member of a National Guard? You'd take to the streets and try to overthrow the government?


For me, if someone tried to cancel national elections, that would be the trigger.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 08:11 AM   #7
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Howzabout as November, 2008 approaches and suddenly there's an "event" that has Shrub and Co. shutting down the elections until it's "safe" to have them?

Paranoid or not, there are some who consider this a possibility.



edit: DAMN YOU, DBJ..... You beat me to the draw!!! (I'm getting slow in my old age)
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Old August 6th, 2007, 10:52 AM   #8
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I agree with Dback Jon (about the elections) and with Folster(about the second amendment).

Free elections and the right to bear arms are to only two powers that US citizens have over their government.
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Old August 6th, 2007, 11:28 AM   #9
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the right to bear arms are to only two powers that US citizens have over their government.
Many innocents pay the ultimate price however. Hot off the wire.............

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NEWARK, New Jersey (AP) -- Three friends were forced to kneel against a wall behind an elementary school and were shot to death at close range, and a fourth was found about 30 feet away with gunshot and knife wounds to her head, police said.

All of the victims in the shootings late Saturday were from Newark and planned to attend Delaware State University this fall.

No arrests had been made by Monday and authorities had not identified suspects, said Paul Loriquet, a spokesman for the Essex County Prosecutor's office.

None of the victims had criminal records, authorities said. Watch how the victims were ambushed »

"They were good kids," Essex County Prosecutor Paul Dow said.

The four had been listening to music in a parking lot behind Mount Vernon School when they were gradually joined by a group of men, authorities said.

Newark Police Director Garry McCarthy said the four exchanged text messages saying they should leave, but were attacked before they could do so.

Police said the attackers shot one young woman, then forced her three companions down an alley, lined them up against a wall, made them kneel and shot each in the head.

Natasha Aerial, 19, was listed in fair condition at Newark's University Hospital, authorities said. Police identified her companions as her brother, Terrance Aerial, 18, Iofemi Hightower, 20, and Dashon Harvey, 20.

The Aerials' mother, Renee Tucker, said the last time she saw them was around 10:30 p.m. Saturday, when they told her they were going around the corner to get something to eat.

"They said they were going to come right back to the house," Tucker said.

Hightower was a motivated student who had recently enrolled at Delaware State, according to great-uncle John McClain.

"She was one of the most beautiful ladies you'd ever want to meet," McClain said. "Very smart, very intelligent. She wanted to be something in life."

In the wake of the killings, Mayor Cory A. Booker again found himself defending his administration's inability to make a dent in the city's murder rate.

"He doesn't deserve another day, another second, while our children are at stake," said Donna Jackson, president of Take Back Our Streets, a community-based organization. "Anyone who has children in the city is in panic mode."

Booker's office didn't return a call for comment on Monday.

A month ago, Booker and Police Director Garry McCarthy announced that crime in the city had fallen by 20 percent in the first six months of 2007 compared to a year ago. Yet despite decreases in the number of rapes, aggravated assaults and robberies, the murders have continued.


Saturday night's killings, along with an unrelated shooting over the weekend that killed a Montclair man, brought Newark's murder total to 60 in 2007. That is three fewer than in the same period in 2006. But there have been 17 slaying in the eight weeks since June 12.
At Delaware State, officials said the school plans to hold a memorial service Aug. 28, after the student body returns for the fall semester. E-mail to a friend

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And of course the deranged individuals who excuted those kids for no reason, wouldn't have done so if they didn't have guns right?

What about stabbing deaths? Should we outlaw knives? What about fatal car crashes? Or fatty foods which cause obesity and heart failure? How about crossing the street?
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2nd amendment. I'm right there with you.

Me, you, 100%, Ken, and PCF would start our own militia.

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So if you had to choose between first amendment rights and second amendment rights, you'd choose second amendment rights?
Without the second amendment right you wouldn't be able to fight for your first! So yeah I would...
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And of course the deranged individuals who excuted those kids for no reason, wouldn't have done so if they didn't have guns right?

What about stabbing deaths? Should we outlaw knives? What about fatal car crashes? Or fatty foods which cause obesity and heart failure? How about crossing the street?
Bridges fall so we better stop crossing those!!!
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What about stabbing deaths? Should we outlaw knives?
I'd rather take my chances running away from a knife-wielding maniac. Wouldn't you?
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The potential disaster of a falling bridge is something we accept when we cross it. Senseless gun deaths are things we accept with liberal gun laws.
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