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I have to say I'm impressed that J. Kerry mortgaged his house to keep his campaign going!
With all the democrats spending money to win - will the winner have any money left to go against Bush? Currently the President is raising his own money (which I hear will shatter the record he holds from the last election).
I know there are campaign funds from the democratic party - but is it enough to compete?
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He can't borrow funds from his wife, so he puts his house up for mortgage, if he loses, his wife can un-mortgage the house. Still though to mortgage your house is showing he's pretty serious.
Bush has raised about 200 million.
His dad can raise 1 milliion for him in a few hours.
Personally I think the democrats are sharpening their skills.
Bush is being lulled to sleep because he doesn't have to run against anyone until the big dance.
When the first debate comes around it'll be his first in four years, while it'll be say kerry's 10th or so.
You also gotta think how many people are holding off donating, and when there's one democrat canidadte instead of six or so, all the donations will be consolidated into one camp.
This primary business will be basically be over by mid-march giving them about another eight months to raise money.
The dems will be able to run ads like we've seen in recent elections, probably more.
Its bush that'll be able to run every one of his ads in between the commercial breaks w/o any other sponsor needing to have an ad. (exaggeration but you get my drift)
I just wonder what bush will run on besides national security, because he hasn't done anything (for the most part) else. (most of what he has done elsewhere....most, not all.... has been rich benefits disguised as poor benefits imo, which can be backed up by some facts)
Originally posted by CardsFan88 He can't borrow funds from his wife, so he puts his house up for mortgage, if he loses, his wife can un-mortgage the house. Still though to mortgage your house is showing he's pretty serious.
Bush has raised about 200 million.
His dad can raise 1 milliion for him in a few hours.
Personally I think the democrats are sharpening their skills.
Bush is being lulled to sleep because he doesn't have to run against anyone until the big dance.
When the first debate comes around it'll be his first in four years, while it'll be say kerry's 10th or so.
You also gotta think how many people are holding off donating, and when there's one democrat canidadte instead of six or so, all the donations will be consolidated into one camp.
This primary business will be basically be over by mid-march giving them about another eight months to raise money.
The dems will be able to run ads like we've seen in recent elections, probably more.
Its bush that'll be able to run every one of his ads in between the commercial breaks w/o any other sponsor needing to have an ad. (exaggeration but you get my drift)
I just wonder what bush will run on besides national security, because he hasn't done anything (for the most part) else. (most of what he has done elsewhere....most, not all.... has been rich benefits disguised as poor benefits imo, which can be backed up by some facts)
:roll:
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The Dems dont really want to win this year anyways.
The Clintons still have much power in the the democratic party. All of these stiffs that have been sent out there dont have a chance in hell of unseating Bush. IMO most of the powerful and influential Dems dont want them to. They are conceding in order to wait for the Hillary for the White House capaign coming in 2008.
If a Dem was to win they would have to wait until 2012 at a minimum and that isnt gonna happen.
2008 it will be Jeb Bush vs. Hillary for the BIG OFFICE!
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Originally posted by Shane H All of these stiffs that have been sent out there dont have a chance in hell of unseating Bush.
Respectfully I disagree. Bush barely got in, in the first place. Very little he's done has made people lives better. In fact AFTER the state of the union speech when polls usually spike for the president, it was shown Kerry would beat bush 49% to 46%.
Bush may think he's on solid ground, but I think its very much up for grabs.
Bush sr. didn't have half the problems going against him that dubya does and he still lost, and the gulf war I was a complete success.
Personally I think dubya is going to be in for some major political gaffes during the debates. I really don't think he can state much for his fiscal, international, or domestic policy. All have been either ignored, done in a way which disproportionally favors the affluent, or hasn't worked out like he thought it would, and I think IT will come back and bite him.
He certainly has nothing which would trump what his opponent will say. Even all the financial numbers besides two (stock market and corporate profits from tax legislation) confirm this. I know bush won't back down, and I know he has the 44 magnum, but I just don't see the ammunition.
What I do see is the dems also having a 44 magnum. but have many boxes of bullets, and all the financial figures to support them.
Dean isn't a stiff, he's the opposite. He's not my guy. Kerry is articulate, experienced, quick on his toes, concise, and I believe has some answers to our problems. When you watch him, he's anything but stiff, and 100x less if sat next to Gore. In fact he's show quite a good side to him with his demeanor and such since he won in Iowa. He's probably my guy and has been my front runner since November. There's edwards, but he may be to young at this point.
I'm a democrat, but if I was sitting on the other side of the fence I'd say the same thing. My judgements on his policies aren't partisan based, but realistically based. Whoever wins though, we have a hell of mess across the spectrum to fix and we NEED to get it fixed.
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Last edited by CardsFan88; January 30th, 2004 at 03:40 PM.
Originally posted by CardsFan88
I'm a democrat, but if I was sitting on the other side of the fence I'd say the same thing. My judgements on his policies aren't partisan based, but realistically based. Whoever wins though, we have a hell of mess across the spectrum to fix and we NEED to get it fixed.
The only problem I have is the Democrats only have more government solutions to fix these problems. Democrats don't have any new ideas. They are limited to bashing the current administration on these issues.
Charisma and feel will have a big impact if it is a close race as you predict. I dont think Kerry has much in this area, he is kind of dull.
Edwards would be better in this regard but I am not sure he can win the popular support and win the delegates.
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Originally posted by SirChaz The only problem I have is the Democrats only have more government solutions to fix these problems. Democrats don't have any new ideas. They are limited to bashing the current administration on these issues.
Charisma and feel will have a big impact if it is a close race as you predict. I dont think Kerry has much in this area, he is kind of dull.
Edwards would be better in this regard but I am not sure he can win the popular support and win the delegates.
Most of what I reason why their ideas aren't new is because they can never get them passed. So they keep altering it and trying again. However they do have new ideas, just when they aren't being passed or can't get them heard or taken seriously, it translates into the general public not knowing their ideas, or seeing their benefits or weaknesses (through news reports, or the ideas being implemented and seeing how the chips fall), and thus the no new ideas thought lingers.
If you are fighting with a disadvantage like knowing you need 15 republican votes to pass your idea just in the senate you can never really have the true spirit of your bill passed because you HAVE to alter it to get anything done. Then you still have the house and president to override so you have to think ahead. This is what plagues the dems.
Universal health care or some variant has been tried to be passed through at various times since around truman's time.
The problem with the dems is when they have the white house, they rarely have control of the house and senate (I believe clinton either never held that advantage or only one of the two senate or house his first two years). Many times when the repubs do, they have control of the house and senate, or at least one. The repubs can get more of their ideas done this way.
I fear that if a dem gets the presidency, he won't be able to get much done because the house and senate are both republican.
And the biggest increase in gov't in the history of this country has occured under dubya. While at the same time using gov't to cut affluent taxes more proportionally by far than for low-middle class.
The dems bash the repubs when the repubs hold the presidency, and vice versa. Its both parties fault equally. But at the same time only the repubs have shut down the country which occured around '94-'95. The repubs moreso than the dems say my way or the hi-way.
The country was pulling out of the recession and clinton was going to lead the country in his and the dems direction and boom repubs win the house and senate majority in the mid-term election during his first term by a large margin.
The repubs really have little to bash because the dems never get a chance to carry the country their direction for awhile. If the dems had 4-6-8 years to carry the house, senate, and presidency, and things turned out poorly I would think they would have more bullets when they rant about them. The repubs usually have such advantage so I tend to see the dems points being more valid because they've made criticisms after the repubs have implemented them and refer to x bill or y bill when they took the country in their direction. Its like for every 3-5 bills the dems can poke holes in, the repubs can only poke holes in 1-2 because the big impact legislation laws are past by that ratio, thus criticism seems more one-sided.
For a stupid analogy....Say you are watching two friends playing Steet Fighter II or some other fighting game against the computer because there's only one controller. Four out of five times one player plays (or use the previous paragraphs ratio), the other time the other guy plays. Well you'll hear alot more lip from one side because he's sitting on the sidelines criticizing 4 of 5 matches. This make them seem like they are more annoying, but if/when the tables are turned, the other guy would act the same way. Its just human nature.
On the kerry, you're right he isn't a charismatic democrat like a John Kennedy, but he does fairly well, and looks to be getting better at it. And he is FAR more charismatic than Gore. Edwards might be a presidential election or two before his time. I wouldn't be surprised for him to be the front runner in 2008, 2012, or 2016. I mean in 2016 I believe he'll only be a year older than kerry is now, and will be more knowledgable and wiser.
Of course these are my speculations or observations or whatnot, but I do believe they hold some truth to it.
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Last edited by CardsFan88; January 30th, 2004 at 06:03 PM.
Originally posted by Chris_Sanders
I am a big supporter of new people/families/ideas being put into office.
Same here.
Let's have a Krang vs. Stefan in 2008. We'll just have to overthrow the age requirements and the nationality issue...
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