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Old March 9th, 2008, 10:45 AM   #1
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There is a family of four illegal aliens(hispanic) driving in a car NB on I-15 from California to Vegas. They are halfway between Vegas and the stateline minding their own business and driving under the speed limit by 5 mph in the left hand lane of two lanes. A semi is driving along side them with their car in the rear 1/3 of the semi.

All of a sudden a Highway Patrol officer comes screaming up on the semi from the rear at an estimated speed of 110 MPH. He is going so fast that when he changes lanes into the left hand lane to get around the semi he doesnt have enough time to react and slams into the rear of the car that is carrying the family stated above. The impact causes the families car to go veering off the road and into the embankment which has about a 20 to 30 foot drop and is also damaged badly from the impact. The car rolls and three of the four in the car are killed instantly. One female in the car (preganant) survives but loses her baby in the accident as well.

Now it comes to light later that the HP officer was just speeding home for lunch and had no reason whatsoever to be going at such a high rate of speed. He is fired and brought up on charges for the accident. He has since been convicted and I believe has to spend a couple of years in prison.

Now the girl who survived is sueing the state of NV and the HP officer for an obscene amount of money.

Does she have a case? Should she be awarded damages?

If you think yes why? If you think no why?
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Old March 9th, 2008, 12:26 PM   #2
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I think even illegal aliens have a reasonable expectation of road safety and right to life in our country. The actions of the officer, based on your description, are criminally negligent and the state is clearly actionable.

Settle, let her cash in on her family's pain, and then deport her.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 12:32 PM   #3
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I think even illegal aliens have a reasonable expectation of road safety and right to life in our country. The actions of the officer, based on your description, are criminally negligent and the state is clearly actionable.

Settle, let her cash in on her family's pain, and then deport her.
I think that's about right, but the settlement should be far more reasonable than what one would normally expect.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 12:34 PM   #4
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Agree with Gad.

He has had no business doing that. Police officers are given extraordinary powers, when they abuse them the punishments should reflect that.

That the family was here illegally is irrelevant, it just as easily could have been Brighteyes and I. Sure deport them but it has no bearing on anything else.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 12:36 PM   #5
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If an American citizen were in another country illegally and they were the victim of a crime by a member of their law enforcement, then I would hope they were compensated in whatever way.

Being the victims of this crime shouldn't be their punishment, deporting them is. So I agree, settle and escort her to the border.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 03:19 PM   #6
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I think even illegal aliens have a reasonable expectation of road safety and right to life in our country. .
Why exactky do they have the reasonable expectation of road safety? They arent citizens of this country and are here illegaly. They have no reasonable expectation to anything. Our laws do not govern them. Our road taxes arent paid by them.

If they have a right to life in our country does that mean that they have a right to make a life in our country? Since they have a right to life here does that mean they should have a right to come across the border as they please?
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Old March 9th, 2008, 03:51 PM   #7
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Because Shane that could easily have been my family he killed, this is the point you are ignoring.

I have a reasonable expectation of road safety and the cop violated that
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Old March 9th, 2008, 03:52 PM   #8
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Because Shane that could easily have been my family he killed, this is the point you are ignoring.
But the simple fact is it wasnt. If your family was killed it WOULD be different.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 03:53 PM   #9
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Because Shane that could easily have been my family he killed, this is the point you are ignoring.

I have a reasonable expectation of road safety and the cop violated that
You do have a reasonable expectation. You are here legally and contribute to everything that is in place to provide that road safety. These people do not.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 03:55 PM   #10
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If these people were here on vacation visiting legally with passports/entry/work visas and paying the rental car tax and the hotel tax etc... etc... they too would have a right to a reasonable expectation of raod safety IMO.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 04:03 PM   #11
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Based on your description, besides being here illegally it appears they were not following simple traffic laws either.

Slower traffic is supposed to stay in the right lane. You should never be going so slow in the left lane that a semi is passing you on the right.

Unless the semi was going so slow that driving 5 below the limit was enough to pass it - they were in the wrong lane.
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Great... by BIM's and Shane's logic, we should be able to murder, rape, whatever we want to illegals because our laws don't protect them. There's your sollution to the illegal immigrant problem boys, shoot on sight. Because "They arent citizens of this country and are here illegaly. They have no reasonable expectation to anything. Our laws do not govern them."
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It does appear that way.

Is it legal to go out and shoot illegals ?
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I just commented on their poor driving.

I didn't say anything about a possible settlement, etc.
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Old March 9th, 2008, 04:53 PM   #15
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Great... by BIM's and Shane's logic, we should be able to murder, rape, whatever we want to illegals because our laws don't protect them. There's your sollution to the illegal immigrant problem boys, shoot on sight. Because "They arent citizens of this country and are here illegaly. They have no reasonable expectation to anything. Our laws do not govern them."
Your logic would make sense If I stated that the HP Officer should still have his job, not been tried for crimes in court and that it was BS that he was sent to prison for this. However I agree with all that happened to him and think it should have been stiffer then a couple year penalty. I just plain and simply believe they are not enitled to a settlement of any kind. Nice try though.
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