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if we were all rich white plantation owners. How is the disregard of the envronment and workers by big business to be dealt with? By mass action, democracy. Sorry that the ideal world of highly educated property owning aristocrats does not exist and that we have degenerated into democracy.
Granted - we get the "leaders" we deserve...
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if we were all rich white plantation owners. How is the disregard of the envronment and workers by big business to be dealt with? By mass action, democracy. Sorry that the ideal world of highly educated property owning aristocrats does not exist and that we have degenerated into democracy.
Granted - we get the "leaders" we deserve...
The biggest vote we have is the dollars we spend. The problem is you must have an educated electorate. You don't have to be a rich white plantation owner to have a voice, even in a republican form of government.
Do you really think a pure democracy is a good thing? We have denegrated into democracy exactly for the benefit of the ruling class not to eliminate it. The difference is the ruling class is now the professional politician and their corporate benefactors.
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democracy works where all the voters know each other - village or tribe. We are so metropolitan and mobile that we are not really accountable to our neighbors. There is no real solution - there is a lesser of evils - who knows what it is?
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democracy works where all the voters know each other - village or tribe. We are so metropolitan and mobile that we are not really accountable to our neighbors. There is no real solution - there is a lesser of evils - who knows what it is?
Well I think communism works in small enough groups. In fact so does fascism. The problem is what works in large groups?
A decentralized system of laws. A republican form of government. The important ingredient in any system is individual responsibility.
I think the original vision of the constitution is the lesser of the evils of government. Anytime there is too much government of any kind you have a form of tyranny.
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I read this article back when you first posted the link, but never commented.
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A decentralized system of laws. A republican form of government. The important ingredient in any system is individual responsibility.
I think the original vision of the constitution is the lesser of the evils of government. Anytime there is too much government of any kind you have a form of tyranny.
I agree wholly! Unfortunately in our society the most important ingredient, individual responsibility, has eroded. Along with it accountability is diminished.
Politicians are not responsible to their constituents, but rather to their political career and self interests; pandering to the big money lobbyists.
CEO's and accommpanying executives are not responsible to their employees and stockholders, but rather to their good ol' boy network, also known as the board of directors. They serve upon each others boards and pat each other on the back while collecting their bonuses and selling the assets to foreign entities.
And the rest of us being spoiled with material aquisitions are like fatted calves being led to slaughter. We are filled with notions of entitlement, and an ever increasing standard of living.
The path we are set upon cannot continue, indeed it will not continue due to its self destructive nature. Question is will we realize in time to react and prevent the obvious? Or will we continue to feast and follow the ass of the calf in front of us?
Ok, I'm done!
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I agree wholly! Unfortunately in our society the most important ingredient, individual responsibility, has eroded. Along with it accountability is diminished.
Politicians are not responsible to their constituents, but rather to their political career and self interests; pandering to the big money lobbyists.
CEO's and accommpanying executives are not responsible to their employees and stockholders, but rather to their good ol' boy network, also known as the board of directors. They serve upon each others boards and pat each other on the back while collecting their bonuses and selling the assets to foreign entities.
And the rest of us being spoiled with material aquisitions are like fatted calves being led to slaughter. We are filled with notions of entitlement, and an ever increasing standard of living.
The path we are set upon cannot continue, indeed it will not continue due to its self destructive nature. Question is will we realize in time to react and prevent the obvious? Or will we continue to feast and follow the ass of the calf in front of us?
Ok, I'm done!
I could not have said it better. Another great post by the aptly named CardLogic
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The path we are set upon cannot continue, indeed it will not continue due to its self destructive nature. Question is will we realize in time to react and prevent the obvious?
Just what is this "obvious" thing we need to prevent? And how do you propose we stop this obvious thing that you lament?
Just what is this "obvious" thing we need to prevent? And how do you propose we stop this obvious thing that you lament?
Dr. Paul's idea is the repeal of the 16th amendment. I think that is a good place to start. The power of the federal government should be limited. The current source of their power is the power to tax the people directly and bypass the states. They then use that money to blackmail the states into bending to their will. This was not a power they were meant to have.
The constitution specifically does not grant them this power so they instead enforce it with money withheld from wage earners before they even see it.
Their biggest source of intimidation and fear is the tax code and the IRS.
The obivous part is our descent into despotism. See the first part of 40's thread here
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At about the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in the year 1787, Alexander Tyler (a Scottish history professor at The University of Edinborough) had this to say about "The Fall of The Athenian Republic" some 2,000 years prior.
"A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, (which is) always followed by a dictatorship."
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Just what is this "obvious" thing we need to prevent? And how do you propose we stop this obvious thing that you lament?
Is that a haiku or a sonnet? Is it rap? A nursery rhyme?
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It does and very well. It works perfectly if you have a leader that doesnt have some mental disability towards a certain race for no reason at all.
Unfortunately in communism or fascism power goes to the leaders head and than the voting is atking away and you have to pray the person they pick to succeed them is good.
I would love a fascist government, but only really if I was in charge lol
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Just what is this "obvious" thing we need to prevent? And how do you propose we stop this obvious thing that you lament?
Abbriviated answers: "the obvious" - the continued corruption and eventual collapse of the federal government. "how to stop this" - that's a more complicated dilema. But a good start is personal integrity and responsibility. Then secondly, hold others accountable to the same standards.
You advocate repealing the 16th amendment but claim the 2nd amendment is a sacred cow?
I don't believe I have ever used that term, but I do consider all of the first ten somewhat sacred because I think of them as part of the original constitution. All the others are add-ons that came later. Just like I'm glad the 21st repealed the 18th, I would hope the the next one would repeal the 16th (but I am not counting on it).
I do not advocate no regulation or restrictions but I believe people have a right to defend themselves and a right to own and bear arms.
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Ok, I'm done!
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