SunCardfan

I think this is almost a situation of reverse-racism. I remember hearing many people say that Jason Sehorn (even in the media) was never that good of a corner but people made him out to be better because he was white and not many white guys are athletic enough, fast enough and have enough hops to be a starting CB in this league let alone a good one.

If Rush or another media type had said something about a white guy not being that great would there be such a backlash?

Chaz

I think people kind of have it out for him to begin with. It was not the swiftest move for him to say what he did and should be called out for it.

The furor that ensued was a bit of an overreaction IMO.

Brian in Mesa

Ripping white guys is always ok, ala White Men Can't Jump.

I believe McNabb would have gotten the same attention and praise if he were white.

According to Rush's thinking: Peyton Manning (6 td's in one game recently...) would get more press if he were black.

To me that's just BS. A qb is a qb is a qb, but that's just my opinion.

If you think a player is overrated - say that. Just don't spin it into a racial conspiracy theory in which the media is doing some type of social work by gushing over a black qb.

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CardinalMike

Why not they certainly do it for over coaches. Prime example is that overrated underachiever Tony Dungy or Dennis Green to name two.

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Dback Jon

You mean Tony Dungy of the 4-0 Colts??

I would love to have either one coach the Cards - both would be significant upgrades over what we have now.



And yes, Rush is a Big Fat Idiot, and a racist.

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Shane

A QB is a QB is a QB etc...... I agree with that stance and so do most other people.

But there are many people out there who put emphasis on black QBs it has been that way for years. People saying that the reason there arent more black QBs starting in the NFL is racism. There are some who I have read in recent years who still feel that its a problem in football. Evne though if all healthy there would be 9 starting QBs in the NFL who are black. Thats almost 1/3 of the league.

It is mostly black people doing the complaining and the ones who overhype black QBs in general. They are overhyped in many cases! The above by suncardfan is a great analogy!

You dont hear people crying that the NFL is racist towards whites because there arent more white men playing CB do you?

Oh and the year Manning threw something like 25 Ints he was not getting scrutinized even near the same level like Mcnabb has the first two games!

Cardinal Bob

I don't think what he said was that bad. But it got completely blown out of proportion.

You have to know that a lot pf people hate - and I mean really hate - Limbaugh (I'm one of 'em) and were all too happy to pile on him after these comments with the goal being getting him off the air on ESPN. They've succeeded.

I can't stand Rush, as I mentioned, but I don't feel like he should have had to resign over those comments. I also think McNabb is extremely overrated as a QB, though I'm not sure his being black has that much to do with it.

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JeffGollin

Was what Rush said really that bad?
It betrayed a lack of football knowledge and then brought in an outside socio-political side-issue to bolster his position.

Evaluating players is tough enough to do based purely on their own success and merits.

- Ricky Williams was a bust with NO. Suddenly he's All World (Did he change all that much? Probably not. It was probably a combination of several circumstances including physical health, surrounding cast, offensive system, new coach etc.)

- Is Jake a different Plummer with the change of scenery? Or did the circumstances change?

- And it works the other way. Is McNabb a different QB from 1 or 2 years ago? Or did the unsettled situation at RB, questionable play calling and a less stifling defense change the karma for him?

Personally, I think McNabb has all the physical skills you'd like to see in a QB, has had superb coaching from Andy Reid and (based on his one-legged performance last year against the Cardinals) has plenty of heart.

I'd have no problem duking it out with Limbaugh on those factors alone. But when he whines about overhyping by the media because of race, he's conceding that he can't prove his point through his knowledge of football.

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AZCB34

The rest of your post I tend to agree with but you ended with a bit of a whimper. Manning threw 28 INTs but that was his rookie year...so the scrutinization level was going to be low simply due to rookie errors.

McNabb is a guy who has been to a couple NFC Championship games and is the QB for a team some ("experts") had said was best in the NFL. Expectations were very high for him and most of the scrutinization is from Philly fans and media. I hadn't given a second thought to him before now...just knew Philly has struggled. I doubt many fans outside of Philly fans worried too much about his struggles either.

Rush's real problem was, he doesn't have the football knowledge or experience to say what he said and he was exposed for that. His acted like he was on his radio show and should have known the crowd is different watching NFL Pregame. On his radio show he is largely preaching to the choir. NFL Pregame he is having to appease the masses...many of whom he bashes and has outright disdain for on his radio show.

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Shane

Actually I was referring to Mannings fourth year in the league when he threw 23 Ints not 25 I was mistaken. He was largely considered to be the best young QB in football on an up and coming team with Harrison and James. He went out that year and threw Int after Int with an NFL record amount of them being run back for TDs if Im not mistaken!

I would call the analogy very good. He nowhere near came to the level of scrutiny that Mcnabb has gotten after only two bad games and one mediocre one. But thats JMO!

Mr.Dibbs

They got Rush on the show to say things that people could argue with, but God forbid he mentions something about race. I don't like Rush either, but he shouldn't have resigned. I don't think he had too many African American fans to start with, he just stated his oppinion, and it was a stupid comment because McNabb is a good QB.

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AZCB34

He threw 27 TDs and 19 INTs his 4th year.

At least according to:

http://www.nflplayers.com/players_ne...rSection=stats

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Cardinals.Ken

Allow me to reiterate; Rush made the mistake of injecting politics into a sports show that doesn't deal with those issues. It's a pre-game show, stick with X's and O's. Had he made these comments on his radios show, or in a different venue (ie. one that was dealing with race and the NFL) then he comments would have been appropriate, at least as an expression of his opinion.

What gets me about the whole thing is that neither Michael Irvin or Thom Jackson didn't dispute what he said. I remember seeing arguements on pre-game shows before, and I actually think that they are encouargaed to some point. Either they were shocked he said what he did, or they didn't disagree.

I personally didn't see it, so I can only comment on what I've read about this subject.

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AZCB34

My bad. It appears as though the site I had viewed missed a year of stats. Sorry about that Shane.

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Jersey Girl

Exactly!

Geesh! I watch football and other sports to get AWAY from these types of issues. I don't need some politcal dude who is a "fan's fan" interjecting his politcal MO.

No Dennis Miller. No Rush Limbaugh. No Tom Arnold (PLEASE!). Just give me football already.

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