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The most compelling documentary ever was the one done I watched last night with Robert McNamara.
He admited the entire thing was a mistake.
The thing is chilling, because it shows McNamara playing the good soldier, it's bleeding tragic is what it is.
I've watched it like 3 times and it's just chilling, he starts out under Kennedy knowing the whole thing was a mess, Kennedy agrees and decides to pull out, dies and then here goes LBJ doing whatever he pleases telling Robert to help and he does the good soldier bit.
This thing is a case study in people bending to a higher powers will and frankly it's sickening to watch, he knows what he did, he can barely admit it but deep down he knows he didn't do enough.
Colin Powell are you watching this you spineless ........
Anyone watching this will understand their government is full of complete egomanic idiots and they could care less what really happens to this country.
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At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.
Yep since I think Sean Penn is a self-aggrandizing buffon the only other canadite must be Rush.
How about just somebody who didn't meet with a political hostile president of a foregin country for the express purpose of bashing our president?
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire
I know this is a trap, but ..... yes, a fan in the sense that he is a contrast to the feudal system that has been embedded in Venezuelan history.
But they had a President before him who he tried to overthrow. And then later after getting out of Prison he won the election (suspiciously with widespread allegations of voter fraud) and then changed the Venezuelan constitution to allow himself more time as President. Which of course resulted in a revolt and he was ousted for a few days but got power back.
And now he stands accused of human rights violations, censorship of the media, and for Totalitarian rule. And we all know he's not going to step down in 2010 when he's supposed to.
So how is a totalitarian better than a Feudal warlord?
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But they had a President before him who he tried to overthrow. And then later after getting out of Prison he won the election (suspiciously with widespread allegations of voter fraud) and then changed the Venezuelan constitution to allow himself more time as President. Which of course resulted in a revolt and he was ousted for a few days but got power back.
And now he stands accused of human rights violations, censorship of the media, and for Totalitarian rule. And we all know he's not going to step down in 2010 when he's supposed to.
So how is a totalitarian better than a Feudal warlord?
I don't even want to refute what you are saying, because I would have to declare those accusations as BS and you might take that personal. BTW, that ousting of his popularly elected government had the full support of the U S admin. What does that say about them creating a coup to regime change a democratically elected government.
If you really want to know why there has been a campaign by the neos to take down Chavez, look no further than his withdrawing $ 20 billion of Venezuela's petro dollars from the United States Federal Reserve and the subsequent depositing of that money in an account with the International Bank of Settlements for investment in Latin America.
or try this tidbit on for size;
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At the beginning of 2001, Venezuela, under Chavez, instituted a new law of hydrocarbons. Henceforth Exxon, BP and Shell Oil, the major oil extractors in Venezuela, would get to keep only 70 % of the sales revenues from the Venezuelan crude they sold. The oil majors had grown accustomed to their usual take - 84 %. The reaction to the reduction in Big Oil's share of the pie was swift. Otto Reich, Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemispheric Affairs , met with "dissident" billionaires and shorthy thereafter, on April 11, 2002, Chavez was kidnapped. The President of Venezuela's Chamber of Commerce, an oil industry lawyer, decalred himself President of Venezuela, giving a whole new meaning to the term " corporate takeover". The coup d'etat was endorsed by the New York Times.
On April 12, banking and oil industry chiefs held an inaugural party in Venezuela's Presidential Palace. The U S Ambassador rushed down to have his picture taken with his arms around the partying coup leaders. But within 24 hours the party was over. Chavez had expected the coup and planted commandoes inside the secret passages of the Presidential Palace. When informed of what Chavez had done, and fearing for their lives, the partygoers had a change of heart and returned the real President to his desk, without bloodshed, within 48 hours of his capture. The New York Times apologized.
But not the White House, Bush's spokesman conceded Chavez "was democratically elected, but", he added, legitimacy is something that is conferred not just by a majority of the voters".
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In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire
Well you basically did call them BS but that's cool. I didn't just make those up off of the top of my head, so you really are just calling the news articles about it BS. Which I don't take personally.
I never said that our Administration is perfect. In fact I think they are a bunch of idiots who have abused their power beyond recompense. But Hugo Chavez is far from a Saint and has no source of checks and balances like the Whitehouse does. He will rule Venezula until his death, you can bet on it.
I'll wait to see if he is liar or if he really only hates Bushie and harbors no ill will towards America.
Sean Penn is still a jackass for going to a press conference with the guy for the express purpose of bashing the Whitehouse.
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Well you basically did call them BS but that's cool. I didn't just make those up off of the top of my head, so you really are just calling the news articles about it BS. Which I don't take personally.
I never said that our Administration is perfect. In fact I think they are a bunch of idiots who have abused their power beyond recompense. But Hugo Chavez is far from a Saint and has no source of checks and balances like the Whitehouse does. He will rule Venezula until his death, you can bet on it.
I'll wait to see if he is liar or if he really only hates Bushie and harbors no ill will towards America.
Sean Penn is still a jackass for going to a press conference with the guy for the express purpose of bashing the Whitehouse.
Given Bush's 25 % approval rate, I would guess millions would do the same given the opportunity.
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In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way.
Franklin D. Roosevelt
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire
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