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Va Tech shooter was declared "Mentally Ill" in 2005
April 18, 2007 — A court found that Virginia Tech killer Seung-Hui Cho was "mentally ill" and potentially dangerous. Then it let him go.
In December 2005 — more than a year before Monday's mass shootings — a district court in Montgomery County, Va., ruled that Cho presented "an imminent danger to self or others." That was the necessary criterion for a detention order, so that Cho, who had been accused of stalking by two female schoolmates, could be evaluated by a state doctor and ordered to undergo outpatient care.
According to the "Temporary Detention Order" obtained by ABC News, psychologist Roy Crouse found Cho's "affect is flat and mood is depressed.
"He denies suicidal ideation. He does not acknowledge symptoms of a thought disorder," Dr. Crouse wrote. "His insight and judgment are normal."
That information came to light two days after Cho, a Virginia Tech senior, killed 32 people and then himself in a shooting rampage on the university's campus.
'An Imminent Danger to Himself'
The evaluation came from a psychiatric hospital near Virginia Tech, where Cho was taken by police in December 2005, after two female schoolmates said they received threatening messages from him, and police and school officials became concerned that he might be suicidal.
After Dr. Crouse's psychological evaluation of Cho, Special Justice Paul M. Barnett certified the finding, ordering followup treatment on an outpatient basis.
On the form, a box is checked, showing that Cho "presents an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness."
Immediately below it was another box that is not checked: "Presents an imminent danger to others as a result of mental illness."
Authorities said they had no contact with Cho between then and Monday's mass killings.
Package Sent to News Media
This afternoon, NBC received a package they believe was sent to the network by Cho. The package includes photographs of Cho holding firearms, as well as a DVD with video and a letter running several pages long.
One of the pictures shows Cho menacingly wielding a hammer. It bears a striking rememblance to a 2003 South Korean film, "Oldboy." The film, an international hit, explores themes of revenge and incest — themes also apparent in plays Cho had written as a student. However, it is not known if Cho had seen "Oldboy."
The letter received by NBC News is described as angry and rambling—-expressing hatred for rich people and elitists. It is described as very similar to the letter discovered in the Cho's dorm room. According to NBC news, it states "this did not have to happen."
The package was mailed at 9:01 a.m. Monday morning at a Blacksburg, Va post office, sources said. Cho allegedly put the package in the hands of a female clerk before leaving. The clerk told us a little while ago she remember seeing Cho and recalls having to look up the zipcode for New York City's Rockefeller Plaza.
It appears that the suspect took the time to mail a package in between his shooting spree—-showing a degree of cold-blooded planning.
Sent to Psychiatric Hospital
Police obtained the 2005 detention order from a local magistrate after it was determined by a state-certified employee that Cho's apparent mental state met the threshold for the temporary detention order.
Under Virginia law, "A magistrate has the authority to issue a detention order upon a finding that a person is mentally ill and in need of hospitalization or treatment.
Wendell Flinchum, the chief of the Virginia Tech police department, said that it's common for university police to work with state-affiliated mental health facilities instead of on-campus counseling because it is easier to obtain a detention order.
"We normally go through access [appealing to the state's legal system for help] because they have the power to commit people if they need to be committed," Flinchum said at a press conference Wednesday morning.
Cho was taken to Carilion St. Albans Behavioral Health Center in Radford, Va., a private facility that can take 162 inpatients, according to court documents.
It's unclear whether Cho went to the hospital with police on his own or was taken there under protective custody, a possibility under the temporary detention order obtained by police.
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Question - if he was mentally ill, how in the heck was he able to buy a gun???
First thing that came to my mind, too.
He aced the background check...some freaking background check.
And before anyone gets bent about gun control here, this isn't a call to crackdown on guns, but to just effing enforce the gun control measures already in place. That's a nice start.
And before anyone gets bent about gun control here, this isn't a call to crackdown on guns, but to just effing enforce the gun control measures already in place. That's a nice start.
Enforce gun laws? Sorry, that is just too radical of a concept.
He aced the background check...some freaking background check.
And before anyone gets bent about gun control here, this isn't a call to crackdown on guns, but to just effing enforce the gun control measures already in place. That's a nice start.
Exactly - or make the background check MORE effective. The current background check is a joke, IMHO. There were enough red flags on this guy that is sickening that he could pass.
Yes, he could have gotten a gun other ways, but we don't know that for sure.
Exactly - or make the background check MORE effective. The current background check is a joke, IMHO. There were enough red flags on this guy that is sickening that he could pass.
Yes, he could have gotten a gun other ways, but we don't know that for sure.
Jon - just know that I entirely, 100% agree with you here! And I really, really hope changes take place where anyone who is deemed Mentally Ill is prevented from ever having the opportunity to buy a weapon...
However, I do find it somewhat ironic that certain people support this sort of measure, but vehmently fight the Patriot Act and NSA Wire Taps...
Seems to be a bit of a conflict there... maybe I'm wrong...
Jon - just know that I entirely, 100% agree with you here! And I really, really hope changes take place where anyone who is deemed Mentally Ill is prevented from ever having the opportunity to buy a weapon...
However, I do find it somewhat ironic that certain people support this sort of measure, but vehmently fight the Patriot Act and NSA Wire Taps...
Seems to be a bit of a conflict there... maybe I'm wrong...
Not really.
If someone is court certified Mentally Ill, they should not be able to buy a weapon. This statement was true on 9/10/2001, this statement is true today. Far different than wiretapping/reading emails, etc without a court-order.
He aced the background check...some freaking background check.
And before anyone gets bent about gun control here, this isn't a call to crackdown on guns, but to just effing enforce the gun control measures already in place. That's a nice start.
Me, too.
If anyone comes across a description of what exactly this background check searches for, please post it.
I fear that we were lulled into a sense of complacency because it was a "computerized" and therefore thorough.
So how private do health records become? Doesn't that violate privacy issues? Cue the ACLU in 3, 2, 1...
It's kind of ironic because there are going to people who argue for stricter gun control yet won't to want invade someones privacy in order to prevent them from purchasing a firearm.
It is ridiculous though that it was so easy for this nutjob to get a gun. So much for the Brady Bill.
Last edited by The Commish; April 19th, 2007 at 10:49 AM.
So how private do health records become? Doesn't that violate privacy issues? Cue the ACLU in 3, 2, 1...
It's kind of ironic because there are going to people who argue for stricter gun control yet won't want invade someones privacy in order to prevent them from purchasing a firearm.
It is ridiculous though that it was so easy for this nutjob to get a gun. So much for the Brady Bill.
Yup... there just seems to be a conflict brewing here...
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