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"Stats"??? No, its called reality and real numbers that show that the current "leadership" has failed to provide it from the start... These "stats" show a conitued worsening of the caos created by Lord Bush's rush to war in this region and his great "surge" is a too little, too late stop gap attempt at salvaging his so called legacy. The time to send in the greatest number of troops was at the comencement of this war as he was advised by GENERALS to do so...
Right, and remind us the reason why the massing funding bill is needed in the first place?
Come on 82, the blame for this rests solely on the Bush Administration and will continue to rest there even when he and his cohorts pawn this war off on future administrations. What's really sad is how some people like yourself seem to think Bush's responsibilty for this mess is absovled when he leaves office in early 2009...
Until this mess is over the hammering will continue to strike the flat head of Geroge Bush II;and rightfully so...
"Mess", "Blame", "Crime"... etc, etc, etc...
Lives have indeed been lost and changed forever... Many more will follow...
The battle in Iraq has not gone as well as we all would've have liked. For others, the fact that we are there at all is the real issue, and even one life lost is one too many for an "illegal war"...
Many are now foresaking what is best for our troops and for our very own country, all in the name of politics.
There has not been one lefty who has been able to logically and convincingly articulate why America would be better off just up & leaving Iraq. I can understand those who may not like the fact we are there. Yet, leaving too soon will be much more catostrophic than the current conditions...
There is progress being made each day in Iraq. But the media only focuses on the negative (though I will give Richard Engel credit for a terrific piece on Kurdistan aired on The Today Show this morning, which showed a thriving, free and safe community, with a populous flying the Stars and Stripes all over the region).
And any anti-war, anti-Iraq, anti-Bush zealot grabs onto the bad news, the deaths, the injured, the billions being spent - and props up his/her position with these "facts"...
For the record, I think Bush screwed up BIGTIME by relying far too much and sticking far too long with Rummy...
However, we are there and will be for quite some time to come. I remain confident that our presence and our incredibly brave men and women will not have given such immense effort and sacrafice for nought...
You and others feel differently, largely if not solely because you despise a man... That's sad...
Perhaps its undying support for Bush and his failed policies while making sure you have the American flag and yellow ribbons plastered on your Ford F-150?
Maybe people who are sick of this war and do not support the Iraq war feel that the best way to support the troops is to bring them home to their families uninjured and alive...
What makes you the authority on support? How are you supporting them? By continuing to shop at malls, buying gasoline, taking advantage of tax cuts during war time, and taking vacations?
What sacrifices has anyone in this country really made for the troops, including yourself?
Until you can provide some real insight in to that, get off your sanctimonious, "I am a better American than you" crap. Its the same old song and dance you have bee spewing since you came to this board; only now its much more subtle as to avoid a banning.
So the only way YOU can show support for the troops is to somehow take a position that says you know more than they who are there?
I support our troops as much as I possibly can... I have two friends who have sons in the Marines, both of whom are in Falluja at present. I really don't feel the need to describe in detail exactly what I do for their sons, or for the families - but there are one or two people on this board who know my generousity...
For the record, I do not drive a Ford F-150, though I have no issue with anyone that does - unlike you it appears...
But I most certainly do fly an American Flag, and I do wear a yellow ribbon on my jacket lapel fastened with an American Flag pin. And I am immensely PROUD and HONORED to do so! Boy I bet that makes your skin curl huh LIAC???
For the record, I do not drive a Ford F-150, though I have no issue with anyone that does - unlike you it appears...
But I most certainly do fly an American Flag, and I do wear a yellow ribbon on my jacket lapel fastened with an American Flag pin. And I am immensely PROUD and HONORED to do so! Boy I bet that makes your skin curl huh LIAC???
Once again: Jerk...
I was using those as an example of what many "patriots" do so make themselves feel better about the war...
You see 82, you fail to aknowledge that most who are against this war are against it because they love this country, yet you are the only one here who seems to think people like me don't because or views are opposite of yours...
Again you are coming with the "I am a better American" schtick while accusing people like me of being anti American...
82;
We are trying to impose our cultural values on people who not only don't share them, but don't want them.
There is no "Victory."
This conflict has been raging for centuries and will continue to rage long after you and I are in the ground.
History is repeating itself, on so many levels.
How can you not see that?
How hard is that to understand?
I have personally spoken with several who have served in Iraq, some more than once. And each one of them talks about how much the Iraqi's want us there, and how much they rely upon us...
al Qaeda does not want us there and does not want a free Iraq. Same of Iran & Syria...
The Shiite and Sunni radicalists are fighting for control... They are thugs, like gangs, and most certainly do not speak for the greater Iraqi population...
How can you not see that??
I was using those as an example of what many "patriots" do so make themselves feel better about the war...
You see 82, you fail to aknowledge that most who are against this war are against it because they love this country, yet you are the only one here who seems to think people like me don't because or views are opposite of yours...
Again you are coming with the "I am a better American" schtick while accusing people like me of being anti American...
Its old, it lame, and its dead wrong...
I guess since you've been here longer you are allowed to call other posters "jerk"...
Dude - if you want to take this to PM's, let's go. Otherwise, try to carry a conversation without acting like a first-grader...
I guess since you've been here longer you are allowed to call other posters "jerk"...
Dude - if you want to take this to PM's, let's go. Otherwise, try to carry a conversation without acting like a first-grader...
Yawn...
Yeah, that 4 month headstart I have on you has really paid off...
I've been banned, no special treatment for me...
However, I don't feel that calling another poster a jerk for questioning another poster's patriotism as childish...
Its a little hard to have a "high brow" conversation with a poster who make such salacious statments...
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Last edited by LoyaltyisaCurse; May 28th, 2007 at 11:18 PM.
I have personally spoken with several who have served in Iraq, some more than once. And each one of them talks about how much the Iraqi's want us there, and how much they rely upon us...
al Qaeda does not want us there and does not want a free Iraq. Same of Iran & Syria...
The Shiite and Sunni radicalists are fighting for control... They are thugs, like gangs, and most certainly do not speak for the greater Iraqi population...
How can you not see that??
Yes, Iraq, the Shai, and, Syria, the Sunni, do not want us there.... duh... History repeating itself.
Thank you Britian for partitioning the Ottoman empire.
The greater Iraqi population has fled the country.
Those that remain do not have the means to do so.They will rely upon us as long as it is convenient.
It so very easy to put this on "Al Qaeda," after all there has to be someone to blame.
What would you do if you were a twenty something male in Iraq?
No job, no electricity, no respect, no future?
82, are you not a student of history?
How can you not corolate the past with the present?
BTW, this has nothing to do with respecting the troops.
I would suggest that people who so strongly "support" this " War " can volunteer to serve or hand over their own children for the cause. Anything less is hyper hypocritical.
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