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Old July 15th, 2004, 08:45 AM   #1
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UN CONFIRMS: WMDs SMUGGLED OUT OF IRAQ


UN CONFIRMS: WMDs SMUGGLED OUT OF IRAQ by Rod D. Martin, 18 June 2004




In a report which might alternately be termed "stunning" or "terrifying", United Nations weapons inspectors confirmed last week not merely that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but that he smuggled them out of his country, before, during and after the war.



Late last week, the UN Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission
(UNMOVIC) briefed the Security Council on Saddam's lightning-fast dismantling of missile and WMD sites before and during the war. UNMOVIC executive chairman Demetrius Perricos detailed not only the export of thousands of tons of missile components, nuclear reactor vessels and fermenters for chemical and biological warheads, but also the discovery of many (but not most) of these items -- with UN inspection tags still on them -- as far afield as Jordan, Turkey and even Holland.



Notably absent from that list is Iraq's western neighbor Syria, ruled by its own Baath Party just like Saddam's and closed to even the thought of an UNMOVIC inspection. Israeli intelligence has been reporting the large-scale smuggling of Saddam's WMD program across the Syrian border since at least two months before the war. Syria has long been the world's foremost state-sponsor of terrorism.



Perricos highlighted the proliferation danger to the Security Council, as well he should: UNMOVIC has no idea where most of the WMD material is today, just that it exists and it's gone; and anything in Syria is likely to be in Jerusalem or New York tomorrow.



This is the biggest news story of 2004 so far. Yet you haven't heard about it, have you?



You probably haven't heard about Canada's Prime Minister Paul Martin either -- a socialist and no friend of America. Addressing a group of 700 university researchers and business leaders in Montreal last month, Martin stated bluntly that terrorists have acquired WMDs from Saddam. "The fact is that there is now, we know well, a proliferation of nuclear weapons, and that many weapons that Saddam Huseein had, we don't know where they are. [T]errorists have access to all of them," the Canadian premier warned.



The tip of this terrorist sword was scarcely deflected on April 26th, when Jordanian intelligence broke up an al Qaeda conspiracy to detonate a large chemical device in the capital city of Amman. Directed by al Qaeda terrorist leader Abu al-Zarqawi -- the same man who personally beheaded American Nicholas Berg in Iraq last month -- the plotters sought to use a massive explosion to spread a "toxic cloud", meant to wipe out the U.S. embassy, the Jordanian prime minister's office, the Jordanian intelligence headquarters, and at least
20,000 civilians (by contrast, only 3,000 died on 9/11). Over twenty tons of chemical weapons were seized from the conspirators, who were just days away from carrying out their plot.



One wonders where CNN and USA Today think twenty tons of nerve gas and sarin came from: Chemical Weapons-Mart? Yet their coverage, like most major media outlets, mentioned not a word about Saddam's smuggled WMDs, which -- according to liberal dogma -- "don't exist."



Even though the UN says they do exist, now spread around the world.



It's not just the UN. Bill Clinton says they exist, even after the war: in a July 2003 interview with Larry King, the ex-president uncharacteristically defended George Bush, saying "it is incontestable that on the day I left



office, there [was]...a substantial amount of biological and chemical material unaccounted for" in Iraq. Every intelligence agency in the world -- French, British, German, Russian, Czech, you name it -- agreed before the war; Jordanian intelligence can certainly confirm their opinion today.



So what's the deal? Why the relentless pretence that "Bush lied" when even the UN and Bill Clinton say he didn't? Why the absolute silence about "inconvenient" parts of various UN reports, such as the discovery of chemical and biological weapons plans, recipes and equipment; of bio-weapons agents in an Iraqi scientist's house; of a prison lab for testing bio weapons on humans; of complexes for manufacturing fuel for prohibited long-range missiles; of artillery rounds containing enough sarin to kill thousands of people, of



similar shells containing mustard gas, two (but far from the only) of which were used in a terrorist attack against U.S. forces just weeks ago?



America cannot afford the answer to this "why": that many on the left consider George W. Bush's defeat more urgent than al Qaeda's, his political death more essential than the possible physical death of millions of Americans.



The character of our foreign enemies has never been in doubt. The character of the enemy within -- from Dan Rather to Michael Moore -- has never been clearer. And the stakes are the highest they've ever been.




Copyright: Rod D. Martin, 18 June 2004. http://www.thevanguard.org/
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Old July 15th, 2004, 09:06 AM   #2
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Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, but that he smuggled them out of his country, before, during and after the war.
This makes me very angry.

I can understand, I suppose, getting those WMDs out before the war. Maybe even during (if it were early on in the conflict), but how in thunder could the coalition allow them out of the country, right under their noses, after the war?
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Old July 15th, 2004, 09:14 AM   #3
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You're joking, right? The Vanguard? "Conservative Solutions... Conservative Common Sense"? And you call me out over sourcing The New Republic?

Check out their editorial philosophy:

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Old July 15th, 2004, 09:16 AM   #4
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Interesting read. Thankd for the link. Even though I'm opposed to the war, I always found one inconsistency about this no-WMD story: why would Bush use that for an excuse for war, when there were hundreds of others he could have used to justify war?

However, I don't have time now, but I will have to surf the link a little more. For one, it seems this guy is a little biased. Plus, there was a least one piece of factual information: Abu al-Zarqawi did not personally behead Nicholas Berg,

[video details -- skip if you do not wish to read]

as the man who did had two good legs (al-Zarqawi reportedly has only one) and the man who started the cutting was not the man who finished it. Not saying that al-Zarqawi was not involved, just that he did not personally do it.



Also, why did Saddam not use these weapons? Now there probably is a good answer to that, but I would like to hear it.

Once again, thanks for the link.
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Old July 15th, 2004, 09:21 AM   #5
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This is old news folks, we've seen this report months and months ago.

I love the way this article characterizes Canada as no friend to America. Do you think we need to start fortifing the border in case they decide to invade ?

Come on, this is an old news story dressed up by a conservative outlet. There are probably some areas of truth here but it spun so pro Bush that it is tough to take seriously.

Somewhere on CNN's site is a more realistic info. Nothing in this is new news to me.
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I requested a link to the actual report from the author of the article. I'm interested to see just how much truth is in it.
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You're joking, right? The Vanguard?

They've got a link to Pay Pal on the top of the page, for goodness sakes, asking for donations.
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The Vanguard Online.com ??????????????

OHMYGOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This article ranks right up there with their other brilliant pieces of agenda driven babblespeak. Strange that 9,000 other media outlets don't have this info. Could be the source authority for Rush Limbaugh's diatribes.
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Rod D. Martin is Founder and Chairman of Vanguard PAC. Author of the political column "Vanguard of the Revolution", he is the Center for Cultural Leadership's Senior Fellow in Public Policy and Political Affairs, a Vice President and General Counsel of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies (NFRA), and a member of the Board of Governors of the Council for National Policy.

Mr. Martin has served as Director of Policy Planning and Research for Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, has trained activists for the Conservative Party in Great Britain, and has worked for a quarter century for conservative candidates and causes here at home, including his current service as General Counsel of the Arkansas Federation of Minority Republicans and as Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Arkansas Federation of College Republicans. He has also been a strong advocate of school choice, including raising significant sums for private K-12 scholarships for disadvantaged children.

Mr. Martin studied political and economic thought at Cambridge University, was elected student body president at Baylor Law School, and has served on the International Law Committee of the Arkansas Bar Association and as faculty for the Alliance Defense Fund's Blackstone Fellowship program. He is an active member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers, of Arkansas Right to Life, and a Life Member of Gun Owners of America and the National Rifle Association. He served as Special Counsel to PayPal.com Founder Peter Thiel, and has since played key roles in three additional Silicon Valley startups. His forthcoming book, Visions of America, is planned for release in the second half of 2004.

I think Rod Martin is actually Squiggy.
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