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Old August 15th, 2006, 11:52 AM   #1
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U.S. Lags Behind Europe, Japan in Acceptance of Evolution


Friday, August 11, 2006
By Ker Than

A comparison of peoples' views in 34 countries finds that the United States ranks near the bottom when it comes to public acceptance of evolution.

Only Turkey ranked lower.

Among the factors contributing to America's low score are poor understanding of biology, especially genetics, the politicization of science and the literal interpretation of the Bible by a small but vocal group of American Christians, the researchers say.

"American Protestantism is more fundamentalist than anybody except perhaps the Islamic fundamentalists, which is why Turkey and we are so close," said study co-author Jon Miller of Michigan State University.

The researchers combined data from public surveys on evolution collected from 32 European countries, the United States and Japan between 1985 and 2005.

Adults in each country were asked whether they thought the statement, "Human beings, as we know them, developed from earlier species of animals," was true or false, or if they were unsure.

The study found that over the past 20 years:

— The percentage of U.S. adults who accept evolution declined from 45 to 40 percent.

— The percentage overtly rejecting evolution also declined, from 48 to 39 percent.

— And the percentage of adults who were unsure increased, from 7 to 21 percent.

Of the other countries surveyed, only Turkey ranked lower, with about 25 percent of the population accepting evolution and 75 percent rejecting it.

In Iceland, Denmark, Sweden and France, 80 percent or more of adults accepted evolution; in Japan, 78 percent of adults did.

The findings are detailed in the Aug. 11 issue of the journal Science.

Religious belief and evolution

The researchers also compared 10 independent variables — including religious belief, political ideology and understanding of concepts from genetics, or "genetic literacy" — among adults in America and nine European countries to determine whether these factors could predict attitudes toward evolution.

The analysis found that Americans with fundamentalist religious beliefs — defined as belief in substantial divine control of the universe and the efficacy of frequent prayer — were more likely to reject evolution than Europeans with similar beliefs.

The researchers attribute the discrepancy to differences in how American Christian fundamentalists and other forms of Christianity interpret the Bible.

While American fundamentalists tend to interpret the Bible literally and to view Genesis as a true and accurate account of creation, mainstream Protestants in both the United States and Europe instead treat Genesis as metaphorical, the researchers say.

"Whether it's the Bible or the Koran, there are some people who think it's everything you need to know," Miller said. "Other people say these are very interesting metaphorical stories in that they give us guidance, but they're not science books."

The latter view is generally shared by the Roman Catholic Church.

Politics and the flat Earth

Politics is also contributing to America's widespread confusion about evolution, the researchers say.

Major political parties in the United States are more willing to make opposition to evolution a prominent part of their campaigns to garner conservative votes — something that does not happen in Europe or Japan.

Miller says that it makes about as much sense for politicians to oppose evolution in their campaigns as it is for them to advocate that the Earth is flat and promise to pass legislation saying so if elected to office.

"You can pass any law you want, but it won't change the shape of the Earth," Miller told LiveScience.

Paul Meyers, a biologist at the University of Minnesota who was not involved in the study, says that what politicians should be doing is saying, "We ought to defer these questions to qualified authorities and we should have committees of scientists and engineers whom we will approach for the right answers."

The researchers also single out the poor grasp of biological concepts, especially genetics, by American adults as an important contributor to the country's low confidence in evolution.

"The more you understand about genetics, the more you understand about the unity of life and the relationship humans have to other forms of life," Miller said.

The current study also analyzed the results from a 10-country survey in which adults were tested with 10 true or false statements about basic concepts from genetics. Americans had a median score of 4 out 10 correct answers.

One of the statements was "All plants and animals have DNA." (The correct answer is "yes.")

Science alone is not enough

But the problem is more than one of education — it goes deeper, and is a function of our country's culture and history, said study co-author Eugenie Scott, director of the National Center for Science Education in Oakland, Calif.

"The rejection of evolution is not something that will be solved by throwing science at it," Scott said in a telephone interview.

Myers expressed a similar sentiment.

About the recent controversy in Dover, Pa., over the teaching of "intelligent design," Myers said, "It was a great victory for our side and it's done a lot to help ensure that we keep religion out of the classroom for a while longer, but it doesn't address the root causes. The creationists are still creationists — they're not going to change because of a court decision."

Scott says one thing that will help is to have Catholics and mainstream Protestants speak up about their theologies' acceptance of evolution.

"There needs to be more addressing of creationism from these more moderate theological perspectives," Scott said. "The professional clergy and theologians whom I know tend to be very reluctant to engage in that type of 'my theology versus your theology' discussion, but it matters because it's having a negative effect on American scientific literacy."

The latest packaging of creationism is intelligent design, or "ID," a conjecture which claims that certain features of the natural world are so complex that they could only be the work of a Supreme Being.

ID proponents say they do not deny that evolution is true, only that scientists should not rule out the possibility of supernatural intervention.

But scientists do not share doubts over evolution. They argue it is one of the most well tested theories around, supported by countless tests done in many different scientific fields.

Scott says promoting uncertainty about evolution is just as bad as denying it outright and that ID and traditional creationism both spread the same message.

"Both are saying that evolution is bad science, that evolution is weak and inadequate science, and that it can't do the job, so therefore God did it," she said.

Another view

Bruce Chapman, the president of the Discovery Institute in Seattle, the primary backer of intelligent design, has a different view of the study.

"A better explanation for the high percentage of doubters of Darwinism in America may be that this country's citizens are famously independent and are not given to being rolled by an ideological elite in any field," Chapman said. "In particular, the growing doubts about Darwinism undoubtedly reflect growing doubts among scientists about Darwinian theory. Over 640 have now signed a public dissent and the number keeps growing."

Nick Matzke of the National Center for Science Education points out that most of the scientists Chapman refers to do not do research in the field of evolution.

"If you look at the list, you can't find anybody who's really a significant contributor to the field or anyone who's done recognizable work on evolution," Matzke said.

Scott says the news is not all bad.

The number of American adults unsure about the validity of evolution has increased in recent years, from 7 to 21 percent, but growth in this demographic comes at the expense of the other two groups.

The percentage of Americans accepting evolution has declined, but so has the percentage of those who overtly reject it.

"I was very surprised to see that. To me that means the glass is half full," Scott said. "That 21 percent we can educate."

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Old August 15th, 2006, 11:59 AM   #2
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..."Whether it's the Bible or the Koran, there are some people who think it's everything you need to know," Miller said. ....
Interesting...why only focus the article on american christians?
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Interesting...why only focus the article on american christians?
It didn't it focused on American citizens and mentioned Christianity and its effects on people's take on science. It talked about the adverse effects for some and the coinciding effects for others.

But not mentioning Christians when it comes to movements against evolution in America is like not mentioning Arab muslims when talking about terrorists hijacking planes.
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It didn't it focused on American citizens and mentioned Christianity and its effects on people's take on science. It talked about the adverse effects for some and the coinciding effects for others.

But not mentioning Christians when it comes to movements against evolution in America is like not mentioning Arab muslims when talking about terrorists hijacking planes.
Actually the article did focus on American Christians.

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....Among the factors contributing to America's low score are poor understanding of biology, especially genetics, the politicization of science and the literal interpretation of the Bible by a small but vocal group of American Christians, the researchers say.

....The analysis found that Americans with fundamentalist religious beliefs — defined as belief in substantial divine control of the universe and the efficacy of frequent prayer — were more likely to reject evolution than Europeans with similar beliefs.

The researchers attribute the discrepancy to differences in how American Christian fundamentalists and other forms of Christianity interpret the Bible.

..."I was very surprised to see that. To me that means the glass is half full," Scott said. "That 21 percent we can educate."
By not correlating all the worlds religions when it comes to movements against evolution is a bit misleading.
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Actually the article did focus on American Christians.



By not correlating all the worlds religions when it comes to movements against evolution is a bit misleading.
Yes, because there are so many other religious movements that are affecting American's understanding and belief in evolution, right?
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Yes, because there are so many other religious movements that are affecting American's understanding and belief in evolution, right?
I'm sorry did you get the impression that the "study" was just on Americans or peoples' views in 34 countries?
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I'm sorry did you get the impression that the "study" was just on Americans or peoples' views in 34 countries?

American's place out of the 34 countries and what causes in America might contribute America's place being so low.
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American's place out of the 34 countries and what causes in America might contribute America's place being so low.
Well Blimey!

I look forward to their explanation regarding the Brits.

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Britons unconvinced on evolution

Just under half of Britons accept the theory of evolution as the best description for the development of life, according to an opinion poll.

Furthermore, more than 40% of those questioned believe that creationism or intelligent design (ID) should be taught in school science lessons.
The survey was conducted by Ipsos MORI for the BBC's Horizon series.
Its latest programme, A War on Science, looks into the attempt to introduce ID into science classes in the US.

Over 2,000 participants took part in the survey, and were asked what best described their view of the origin and development of life:
  • 22% chose creationism
  • 17% opted for intelligent design
  • 48% selected evolution theory
  • and the rest did not know.
Intelligent design is the concept that certain features of living things are so complex that their existence is better explained by an "intelligent process" than natural selection.

Education questioned
Andrew Cohen, editor of Horizon, commented: "I think that this poll represents our first introduction to the British public's views on this issue.
"Most people would have expected the public to go for evolution theory, but it seems there are lots of people who appear to believe in an alternative theory for life's origins."

When given a choice of three descriptions for the development of life on Earth, people were asked which one or ones they would like to see taught in science lessons in British schools:
  • 44% said creationism should be included
  • 41% intelligent design
  • 69% wanted evolution as part of the science curriculum.
Participants over 55 were less likely to choose evolution over other groups.

"This really says something about the role of science education in this country and begs us to question how we are teaching evolutionary theory," Andrew Cohen added.

The findings prompted surprise from the scientific community. Lord Martin Rees, President of the Royal Society, said: "It is surprising that many should still be sceptical of Darwinian evolution. Darwin proposed his theory nearly 150 years ago, and it is now supported by an immense weight of evidence.

"We are, however, fortunate compared to the US in that no major segment of UK religious or cultural life opposes the inclusion of evolution in the school science curriculum."

In the US, a recent high profile court case ruled that the intelligent design movement is motivated by a desire to introduce God into the classroom.
This came after parents in Pennsylvania took a school board to court for demanding that biology classes should not teach evolution as fact.
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Well Blimey!

I look forward to their explanation regarding the Brits.

Me too. It would be nice to know all the reasons people chose to be uneducated and willfully ignorant about certain subjects. I'd be willing to bet it has something to do with Truthiness™
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DJ, pardon my ignorance on your opinions here (I don't want to comb through old posts) but what is your opinion of the evolution vs ID debate?
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DJ, pardon my ignorance on your opinions here (I don't want to comb through old posts) but what is your opinion of the evolution vs ID debate?
I can't give a complete answer because I have to go rescue my rugrats from daycare.

But I actually think the majority of Americans probably occupy a middle ground but feel under attack by the bombs being thrown from both sides. I have yet to read of a way to have these views brought together more in an harmonious manner that leaves the rhetoric behind.

Frankly I'm tired of hearing about the proponents of intelligent design storming school boards in hopes that either science or local government will conform to their beliefs....as I'm tired of atheists aggressively using science to prove religion a delusion and calling out people as "uneducated" and "willfully ignorant".
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I can't give a complete answer because I have to go rescue my rugrats from daycare.

But I actually think the majority of Americans probably occupy a middle ground but feel under attack by the bombs being thrown from both sides. I have yet to read of a way to have these views brought together more in an harmonious manner that leaves the rhetoric behind.

Frankly I'm tired of hearing about the proponents of intelligent design storming school boards in hopes that either science or local government will conform to their beliefs....as I'm tired of atheists aggressively using science to prove religion a delusion and calling out people as "uneducated" and "willfully ignorant".
I appreciate your candor. I for one don't see a need to accomadate ID in the classroom because it simply doesn't meet certain criteria. You don't teach a theory that is not falsifiable.

Also, I know you're talking about messageboard posters etc. as opposed to scientists, but I want to mention how ridiculous it is when people chalk up evolutionists as being across the board anti-religion. It seems a lot of people miss the point entirely.
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as I'm tired of atheists aggressively using science to prove religion a delusion and calling out people as "uneducated" and "willfully ignorant".
Well since those were my words used I can only assume you are refering to me. If that's so, I gotta wonder when you decided you knew I was an atheist. Kinda implies there is only Christian and Atheist to choose from, pick a side and all that. It's quite an assumption.
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Well since those were my words used I can only assume you are refering to me. If that's so, I gotta wonder when you decided you knew I was an atheist. Kinda implies there is only Christian and Atheist to choose from, pick a side and all that. It's quite an assumption.
I can see from what you have posted where Dj would get that idea.

Here's the problem. People of faith cannot accept full blown evolution. It doesn't fit their teachings, so trying to cram it down their throats is wrong. If their faith gives them comfort, why would we try to destroy that faith? Believe what you will and let them believe as they will.

Remember that the bible was written afterwards and was written from memory. Maybe Jesus never did say "In the beginning God created heaven and earth". Maybe the earth was here all along and he just planted mankind here.

One thing is for certain. Something or somebody started this whole mess and I doubt mankind will ever find out who or why.

Maybe we are just a lab experiment for someone in a different dimension searching for a cure for cancer. Hopefully we are the cure and the other guys are the cancer.
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