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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:00 AM   #1
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U.S. "imperialism" means new arms race: Putin


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U.S. "imperialism" means new arms race: Putin

By Oleg Shchedrov 54 minutes ago

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President
Vladimir Putin launched a scathing attack on the West on Thursday, accusing Washington of imperialism and of starting a new arms race.

Speaking a week before he meets leaders of the Group of Eight (G-8) industrial nations in Germany, Putin said Russia's tests on Tuesday of a two new missiles were a direct response to U.S. moves to create a missile defense system.

"We are not the initiators of this new round of the arms race," Putin told a joint Kremlin news conference with visiting Greek President Karolos Papoulias.

"There is no need to fear Russia's actions: they are not aggressive," he said. "They are a mere response to harsh and groundless unilateral actions by our partners and are aimed at maintaining the balance of forces in the world."

Putin's comments, which will be popular among ordinary Russians in a year when there is a parliamentary election, are the latest in a line of harsh outbursts against the West.

Russia on Tuesday test-fired a new intercontinental ballistic missile with multiple warheads and a new cruise missiles, which Russian generals say are sufficient to ensure the country's security for the next 40 years.

"Our partners are stuffing eastern Europe with new weapons," Putin said. "What are we supposed to do? We cannot just observe all this."

Moscow has been alarmed by U.S. plans to deploy elements of its global missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic. Washington says it wants to avert attacks from "rogue states" such as
Iran but Russia sees a threat to its own security.

"There is a clear desire by some international players to dictate their will to everyone without adhering to international law," Putin said. "International law has been replaced by political reasons."

"In our opinion it is nothing different from diktat, nothing different from imperialism," he added.

RUSSIA FORCED TO DESIGN NEW MISSILES

Relations between Russia and the United States are strained by issues that also include U.S. concerns that human rights and democracy are backsliding in Russia.

Putin and Bush have a chance to discuss their countries' differences at talks in the United States on July 1-2.

Putin said Russia had to design new missiles after Washington quit the Cold War-era Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) treaty in order to pursue its missile shield project.

"We have warned them then that we will come out with a response to maintain the strategic balance in the world," he said.

"We conducted a test of a new strategic ballistic missile with multiple warheads, and of a new cruise missile, and will continue to improve our resources."

In another move putting Russia at odds with the West, Putin has frozen Russia's commitments under the 1990 Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) pact, which limits heavy weapons deployed between the Atlantic and the Urals mountains.

Russia blames NATO countries for failing to ratify the 1999 version of the treaty which took into account the collapse of the Soviet Union and the departure of its Warsaw Pact allies.

NATO believes Russia should first meets its commitment to withdraw military bases from ex-Soviet Georgia and Moldova.

"We say: ratify the treaty and start carrying it out or we will quit it for good," Putin said.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:21 AM   #2
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W's Legacy: Destroying the ME and Re-starting the Cold War
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:29 AM   #3
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W's Legacy: Destroying the ME and Re-starting the Cold War
No matter what it is, it's always W's fault.

I personally don't understand how a Missle DEFENSE System is being aggressive.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:30 AM   #4
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No matter what it is, it's always W's fault.
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:36 AM   #5
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Yea... Russia's own missile testing was only done because of W...

That border agent who let in the TB afflicted guy - W is to blame there too...

And then Nagin stating that New Orleans will come back "whether you want it to or not" - boy, I bet W was really pissed to hear that as he certainly tried his best to wipe New Orleans off the face of the map!!
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:37 AM   #6
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No matter what it is, it's always W's fault.

I personally don't understand how a Missle DEFENSE System is being aggressive.
And what would you say to China building military bases in Mexico and Canada and setting up a missile defense system?

That is precisely what Russia is going through right now....
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:38 AM   #7
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Yea... Russia's own missile testing was only done because of W...

That border agent who let in the TB afflicted guy - W is to blame there too...

And then Nagin stating that New Orleans will come back "whether you want it to or not" - boy, I bet W was really pissed to hear that as he certainly tried his best to wipe New Orleans off the face of the map!!
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Deflect and distract....
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Deflect and distract....
Care to elabortate how my comments are a deflection & distraction??

You see W as provoking Russia. I see it differently... Guess you're all about deflecting and distracting as well...
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Old May 31st, 2007, 09:46 AM   #9
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"Our partners are stuffing eastern Europe with new weapons," Putin said. "What are we supposed to do? We cannot just observe all this."
That is all....

But, I guess as long as YOU see it differently, Russia should feel safe....

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Just finished reading an alarming, if someone narrowly-focused (OK, paranoid) book called 'The Petrodollar War' -- It essentially makes the case that every single thing (without exception, which is why it gets paranoid) that shaped US Foreign policy for 30-40 years (and domestic policy for the last 6-7 years) has been to A) maintain dollar primacy as the world monetary reserve and B) secure access to, and now control of, oil resources. The goals were really crystallized into policy under Kissinger, but hugely accelerated under the GOP admins; current neoCons have taken it the further step to militarize our Foreign Policy completely.

Putin sees the US missile defense system as part of our attempt to carve the world into militarily distinct, controllable sections -- to prevent Russia and the EU from ever joining up against an increasingly belligerent USA to access natural gas, oil, etc. or, just as vital, from forming a euro-based economy that will replace the dollar.

The book was informative and scary about how damn shaky the dollar really is -- and totally convinced me, finally, the only reason we went in to Iraq was 100% oil and dollar-against-euro. It even makes the Bush refusal to consider withdrawal absolutely understandable given the policy goals he attributes to the WH -- even quite rational, in a sick way. If this guy is right, we'll see a draft, somehow, whatever it takes, before we pull out in defeat -- or we'll nuke Iran.

It gave me more insight into how the rest of the world sees our government acting and how it interprets Bush WH motives and agendas. They are almost as suspicious as the guy who wrote the book - Putin probably more so.
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More and more countries are dropping the dollar. Kuwait just did this about a week ago. Iran not so long ago. Iraq did this shortly before the start of the "war" (). I think there is an Asian country or two who also did this....
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Let's see... Russia claims it is designing new missles to "keep up" with our missle projects. It comes down to our leaderships decisions, whether they be right or wrong, the result is other nations are not going to sit tight.

How is that not on the shoulders of our decision maker? Whether persuing these missle projects is the right thing to do or not, if other countries view it as a potential threat, especially after we've gone into the nation building business, the results are the responsibility of the leadership... unless you are today's conservative, then everyone else is at fault and under no circumstances are they responsible for their actions/decisions, they're just the "good" fighting the "evil" who hate our freedom.
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Just finished reading an alarming, if someone narrowly-focused (OK, paranoid) book called 'The Petrodollar War' -- It essentially makes the case that every single thing (without exception, which is why it gets paranoid) that shaped US Foreign policy for 30-40 years (and domestic policy for the last 6-7 years) has been to A) maintain dollar primacy as the world monetary reserve and B) secure access to, and now control of, oil resources. The goals were really crystallized into policy under Kissinger, but hugely accelerated under the GOP admins; current neoCons have taken it the further step to militarize our Foreign Policy completely.

Putin sees the US missile defense system as part of our attempt to carve the world into militarily distinct, controllable sections -- to prevent Russia and the EU from ever joining up against an increasingly belligerent USA to access natural gas, oil, etc. or, just as vital, from forming a euro-based economy that will replace the dollar.

The book was informative and scary about how damn shaky the dollar really is -- and totally convinced me, finally, the only reason we went in to Iraq was 100% oil and dollar-against-euro. It even makes the Bush refusal to consider withdrawal absolutely understandable given the policy goals he attributes to the WH -- even quite rational, in a sick way. If this guy is right, we'll see a draft, somehow, whatever it takes, before we pull out in defeat -- or we'll nuke Iran.

It gave me more insight into how the rest of the world sees our government acting and how it interprets Bush WH motives and agendas. They are almost as suspicious as the guy who wrote the book - Putin probably more so.
In a nutshell,... sounds about right.
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No matter what it is, it's always W's fault.

I personally don't understand how a Missle DEFENSE System is being aggressive.
Defense against what? The boogey man communist threat??????
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I think where he discusses the ongoing dollar-euro-Saudi oil crisis, he's right on. But it was written shortly before the London and Madrid bombings, and reflects the then-European view that there was no clash of cultures or religiously-based jihad of any general concern -- that it was all a perfectly understandable socialist-nationalist reaction to US greed and power and support for Israel.

That is now understood in Europe to have been self-indulgently naive and incorrect -- 'why would Arabs dislike Europeans? We're so sympathetic and tolerant! We hate Jews, too!' -- although one could say our aggressiveness let the jihadis go under the radar for a longer time due to us generating more sympathy for them and a reasonable rationalization.

I think the EU understands better now than 2-3 years ago that a dollar collapse will open world-wide economic disaster, and they will lose access to ME resources just as we would, if the jihadis have their way. They also have come to appreciate that both Israel and the Palestinians have always been coldly manipulated as proxies by the economic and military powers that be and that wannabe -- US, USSR, Egypt, and Saudis.
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