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Old December 8th, 2004, 06:15 AM   #1
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Troops Put Tough Questions to Rumsfeld


Disgrunted U.S. soldiers complained to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumself on Wednesday about the lack of armor for their vehicles and long deployments, drawing a blunt retort from the Pentagon chief.

"You go to war with the Army you have," he said in a rare public airing of rank-and-file concerns among the troops.

In his prepared remarks earlier, Rumsfeld had urged the troops — mostly National Guard and Reserve soldiers — to discount critics of the war in Iraq and to help "win the test of wills" with the insurgents.

Some of soldiers, however, had criticisms of their own — not of the war itself but of how it is being fought.

Army Spc. Thomas Wilson, for example, of the 278th Regimental Combat Team that is comprised mainly of citizen soldiers of the Tennessee Army National Guard, asked Rumsfeld in a question-and-answer session why vehicle armor is still in short supply, nearly two years after the start of the war that ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to uparmor our vehicles?" Wilson asked. A big cheer arose from the approximately 2,300 soldiers in the cavernous hangar who assembled to see and hear the secretary of defense.


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Old December 8th, 2004, 07:17 AM   #2
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Disgrunted U.S. soldiers complained to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumself on Wednesday about the lack of armor for their vehicles and long deployments, drawing a blunt retort from the Pentagon chief.

"You go to war with the Army you have," he said in a rare public airing of rank-and-file concerns among the troops.

In his prepared remarks earlier, Rumsfeld had urged the troops — mostly National Guard and Reserve soldiers — to discount critics of the war in Iraq and to help "win the test of wills" with the insurgents.

Some of soldiers, however, had criticisms of their own — not of the war itself but of how it is being fought.

Army Spc. Thomas Wilson, for example, of the 278th Regimental Combat Team that is comprised mainly of citizen soldiers of the Tennessee Army National Guard, asked Rumsfeld in a question-and-answer session why vehicle armor is still in short supply, nearly two years after the start of the war that ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"Why do we soldiers have to dig through local landfills for pieces of scrap metal and compromised ballistic glass to uparmor our vehicles?" Wilson asked. A big cheer arose from the approximately 2,300 soldiers in the cavernous hangar who assembled to see and hear the secretary of defense.


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There is no doubt that the Guard/Reserve units do not have adequete supplies/equipment.
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Old December 8th, 2004, 07:20 AM   #3
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There is no doubt that the Guard/Reserve units do not have adequete supplies/equipment.

9 times out of 10 guardsman and reserves are integrated into full time ranks.

Half our platoon in Bosnia was revervists and Guardsman from all over the country.
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Old December 8th, 2004, 07:24 AM   #4
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9 times out of 10 guardsman and reserves are integrated into full time ranks.

Half our platoon in Bosnia was revervists and Guardsman from all over the country.
Not sure if that is being done in Iraq - the reports I have read about the local guard seem to indicate they are on their own.
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Listened to a audio of this today.

After the guy asks the question, he is cheered vigorously by a large number of his buddies for having the guts to ask.

Rumsfeld dodged the question of course. Support the troops is the cry, except by actually doing anything to help them, like giving them the equipment they should have.
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Support the troops is the cry, except by actually doing anything to help them, like giving them the equipment they should have.
Sad but true.
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