Those who make peaceful protest impossible - Page 2

schutd · November 21st, 2011, 04:48 PM

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Have you seen this picture Redstorm?

Like the last time I ate good Malay food. Seriously. CLOSE YOUR MOUTH! Sheesh!

RedStorm · November 21st, 2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by O

Have you seen this picture Redstorm?

Wasn't the pepper spray in the video and pictures red in color? Are you sure this is UCD? Could this be photo chopped?

O · November 21st, 2011, 05:07 PM

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Nope. Is that UC Davis? I don't see police forcing it down the person's throat. Looks like the guy opened his mouth.

No it is not UC Davis. That is a woman not a guy.
Much like the 84 year old woman in the picture below.

How someone can not see what is right in front of them amazes me.

RedStorm · November 21st, 2011, 05:23 PM

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No it is not UC Davis. That is a woman not a guy.
Much like the 84 year old woman in the picture below.

How someone can not see what is right in front of them amazes me.

Lol.... First, thanks for admitting that there is no evidence besides Mr Brown in regards to the accusation that Police "forced open" protestor's mouths to spray down their throats.

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"When students covered their eyes with their clothing, police forced open their mouths and pepper-sprayed down their throats," Brown wrote.

O · November 21st, 2011, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RedStorm

Wasn't the pepper spray in the video and pictures red in color? Are you sure this is UCD? Could this be photo chopped?

I never said it was UC Davis.

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Lol.... First, thanks for admitting that there is no evidence besides Mr Brown in regards to the accusation that Police "forced open" protestor's mouths to spray down their throats.

I never referenced anything about Mr Brown or the accusations. There is a big picture here and it's ugly.

If you don't see the trend with what is happening across the country, I don't know what to tell you.

RedStorm · November 21st, 2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by O

I never said it was UC Davis.

I never referenced anything about Mr Brown or the accusations. There is a big picture here and it's ugly.

If you don't see the trend with what is happening across the country, I don't know what to tell you.

O, my question was specific in regards to Mr Brown and his acusation that campus police forced open people's mouths in order to spray down their throats. So far, no oe else has been able to corroborate the incident. You responded to me with a picture of the described incident. I don't think it was too much for me to assume that you were trying to provide specific evidence to sport the claim that AZero posted.

People should make their point without exaggerating hyperbole. Seems like Mr. Brown did that very thing.

RedStorm · November 21st, 2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by O

I never said it was UC Davis.

I never referenced anything about Mr Brown or the accusations. There is a big picture here and it's ugly.

If you don't see the trend with what is happening across the country, I don't know what to tell you.

I'm sure it is ugly. I wonder why there were no incidents like this with TP rallies? What is the difference? Possibly tactics used by protesters to draw attention to their cause? Any different ideas or opinions?

schutd · November 21st, 2011, 06:01 PM

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I'm sure it is ugly. I wonder why there were no incidents like this with TP rallies? What is the difference? Possibly tactics used by protesters to draw attention to their cause? Any different ideas or opinions?

Because their agenda is more in line with the corporations who have lobbied their way to the top and consequently into power? Maybe? Im surprised you actually asked that question.

And of course, the cops work for the city, the city is run by the politicians who have accepted millions in campaign contributions from who????

I dont even care if people think this is acceptable. I can always move. Im astounded by the people who look at you all shocked and truly believe that this isnt the way it actually is. I fear, its because if they do, when they realize that they are espousing an ideal that dangles a carrot in front of them, a carrot they have no hope of achieving because the danglers have assured thats the case, it might be too much for someone to admit to having the wool pulled so successfully.

O · November 21st, 2011, 07:57 PM

Redstorm.

Open your eyes brother, it's right in front of you.

Divide Et Impera · November 21st, 2011, 10:30 PM

Convinced yet, RedStorm?

Southpaw · November 22nd, 2011, 03:36 AM

John Pike needs an ass whooping of monumental proportions.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews...nt_protesters/

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Calls Mount for UC Davis Chancellor to Resign Following Brutal Pepper-Spraying of Student Protesters

More than 34,000 people have signed a petition calling on Chancellor Linda P.B. Katehi of the University of California at Davis to resign her position after nonviolent student activists were pepper-sprayed in the face at point-blank range by a riot police officer, identified as Lieutenant John Pike.

The petition, started by David Buscho, one of the students who was pepper-sprayed by the officer, reprints a letter from UC Davis faculty member Nathan Brown, an assistant professor in the Department of English. Brown wrote, in part:

I am writing to tell you in no uncertain terms that there must be space for protest on our campus. There must be space for political dissent on our campus. There must be space for civil disobedience on our campus. There must be space for students to assert their right to decide on the form of their protest, their dissent, and their civil disobedience—including the simple act of setting up tents in solidarity with other students who have done so. There must be space for protest and dissent, especially, when the object of protest and dissent is police brutality itself. You may not order police to forcefully disperse student protesters peacefully protesting police brutality. You may not do so. It is not an option available to you as the Chancellor of a UC campus. That is why I am calling for your immediate resignation.

On Tuesday there was a rally organized by some faculty members in response to the brutality on the UC Berkeley campus, and in response to the proposed 81% tuition hike.

One of the reasons I am involved with #OWS, and advocating for an occupy movement on the UC campus, is to fight privatization and austerity in the UC system, and fight rising tuition costs. I think that citizens have the right to get an education regardless of economic condition. Most people are not going to get a job where they can afford to pay off student loans. But to exclude people from knowledge is unconscionable.

The #OWS movement is global, but it's expressed locally in ways that are relevant to each city. People who are in NYC go to Wall Street. Oakland takes the port. At Davis, we have a university.

Southpaw · November 22nd, 2011, 03:38 AM

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Convinced yet, RedStorm?

Instant classics.

Southpaw · November 22nd, 2011, 03:49 AM

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2011/11/18/22836/076

Police Departments' Collusion in Defense of 1%: Who's the Organization Coordinating Those Crackdown Calls?

PERF = Police Executive Research Forum

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If history teaches us anything, it's that the repression can get a lot worse. As Glenn Greenwald noted astutely today,

Law enforcement officials and policy-makers in America know full well that serious protests — and more — are inevitable given the economic tumult and suffering the U.S. has seen over the last three years (and will continue to see for the foreseeable future). A country cannot radically reduce quality-of-life expectations, devote itself to the interests of its super-rich, and all but eliminate its middle class without triggering sustained citizen fury.

The reason the U.S. has paramilitarized its police forces is precisely to control this type of domestic unrest, and it’s simply impossible to imagine its not being deployed in full against a growing protest movement aimed at grossly and corruptly unequal resource distribution.

Put another way: "Dancing With the Stars" can only keep so many people anesthetized for so long. Or, as Gandhi described it, in a situation where people knew they'd been colonized: "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they crack down..."

We know what happens after that.

conraddobler · November 22nd, 2011, 04:59 AM

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The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

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RugbyMuffin · November 22nd, 2011, 05:13 AM

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Has any one else reported this happening or is Mr Brown the only one?

Does it matter ?

Does this single issue amongst the whole story really matter.

Ok. He didn't.

Does that make the situation better ?

Not sure what you are getting at, or the point that is trying to be made.