82CardsGrad

Dang... Can an old fart like Johnny really be that quick??

DWKB

Without any discussion isn't it just as likely that Obama is closer to the center? Why would you assume one way or the other is all I'm asking.

Huh?

82CardsGrad

IMO, what I have seen and heard from Obama and his groupies leads to me believe he might be much further left of center vs. closer to center...
But as I said, perhaps he'll prove that assumption wrong... only time will tell as more than ever - words, speaches, positions mean crap to me. Actions matter most... Obama hasn't had enough time on the ground to offer much in the way of actions. Though he's a damm good talker...



Obamski? I dunno... What - the Obamanator?

DWKB

What have you seen and heard?

82CardsGrad

I've seen fire and I've seen rain... Seen sunny days that I thought would never end...
I've seen lonely times when I could not find a friend...




sorry DWKB... I just find this sort of questioning as nothing more than mental masturbation...
You've seen and heard as much as I have. You digest it differently than I do.. Why is this a surprise??

DWKB

Just wanted to put our whole conversation out there so that people can see that I actually tried to engage you in solid political discussion and you avoided giving any answer of substance over and over. We can all write you off now I suppose?

LacardJoe67

it just limped away...

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Donald

No, it didn't. Nobody addressed it.

I don't have the time to. But in the end, they are all just different sides of the same coin.

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dreamcastrocks

I thought I did. McCain vs. Obama/Clinton are different currencies. I wouldn't equate Obama/McCain just because both of them can appeal to the indie vote.

82CardsGrad

"We"?? Well - honestly, whoever "we" is, he/she is free to do whatever his/her heart desires...

I know what you want to do here. You want me to say that I "heard" Obama is "friendly" with a known terrorist. I "saw" that his spiritual mentor, pastor for 20 years.. the man who presided over his wedding and the baptism of his daughters is nothing more than a hate-filled, fear-mongering lunatic...
You want me to reference how Obama's wife never respected her country until now... And that his positions on Iran, Syria and other rogue terror states are sophomoric at best.
You wanted me to do this so you can come back with the standard Obama talking points...

As I said, to me that is all nothing more than you getting your Obama rocks off...
Hey - this is a message board and I gave my opinion. You don't agree. I'm cool with that. As I stated on a few occasions now, the Obaminator might prove me wrong. Maybe he won't prove to be more of a radical lefty than a centrist... I doubt it - but ya never know...

Now - go tell "we" he/she can write me off!!

DWKB

I just tried to engage you in real political talk for once. There was no trap set, I was just trying to see the difference of opinion. I guess you don't know enough to be able to do that so you resort to b.s. tactics like calling into question my motivations. Maybe you should pull out your patented big laugh smilie right now. That seems to be about all you are, a big laugh.

Rivercard

I agree. The Iraq war issue and how their differing policies affects Americans sets them miles apart. And that's just 1 issue.

There is one area where all three are the same though. They love and need $$$$. They play the same game in that regard. It's the fuel for their political engines.

40yearfan

Gotta agree with ya 82. There's a lot we don't know about this guy. He seems to mean well and he talks a great game, but we don't have any references we can check to make sure it isn't just another politician blowing smoke.

As you say, only time will tell.

82CardsGrad

Stop yer whinning dude... I don't trust your motives and frankly, your postings on the topic of Obama give me no reason to trust your motives.

If you believe there is enough history or evidence to support Obama as a legit Presidential candidate, and one that is more of a centrist than not - that's cool. Not sure how many times I have to say this...
I happen to feel differently... GET OVER IT! Not everyone is going to view your highly exulted candidate in the same light as do you...
I believe there is as much history or evidence to cause me to be concerned, and to lean more in the direction of Obama being nothing close to a centrist. Sorry that offends you so...

swd1974

All three candidates will not address the fact that our currency needs to be backed by Gold not air.

Should discuss why we are a member of WTO an organization that requires our congress to set laws based on other countries opinions.

Should discuss not how much we cut from certain programs but start discussions on whether or not these programs should exist.

Why not discuss income tax? The government takes a portion of our labor. Thats more along the lines of servitude to your government. Founding fathers never believed the government owned the people.

The government should never, in fact by the constituion, own land.

Discuss why we give foreign aid. The federal government according to the constitution has no right to give away our money no matter what the purpose.

These matters wont be discussed by Obama, McCain or clinton because they are owned by people who would be very unhappy to see the power of the executive branch go away.

In fact there isnt much legal to the executive branch anymore. The current situation is the exact one laid out by the founding fathers in which the people have the right to take their country back.

The congress and senate have about as much parlimentry power as the german paliament in the late 1930's.

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