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The whole Camel through the eye of a needle thing....
I noticed this in another topic but it was so long that I thought I would start a new thread. Someone mentioned that this was miswritten. I thought I remember it being explained to me that what people misinterpet is the meaning of the needle. A needle back in those times often represented the arches that the greeks and romans had.
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Basically the Greek word for camel is nearly identical to the word for rope.
The metaphor makes much better sense using rope, but the meaning remains unchanged.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
yeah but I heard that the camel part is right but the Needle part is wrong. The Needle is supposed to be an archway. Meaning that it would be difficult but not impossible. The rope and the needle would be impossible.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
I got that part but I think it might have been at church I heard this... It was meant to be a narrow archway that was difficult to pass between. It was possible for a rich man to go through but difficult... He had to use his money wisely to help others and not to overindulge
Nobody really knows for sure what "camel through the eye of a needle." I'd discuss each theory, but it's probably not going to do any good since your mind is probably already made up, but here are basic theories summed up:
1. Some claim that there was a gate in Jerusalem called "the eye of a needle." Supposedly, a camel could not fit through it unless it stooped and had all its baggage removed. Some archeologist who are very honest about the abundant evidence supporting the Bible's archeological acuracy find no evidence that such gate existed.
2. Some claim that it is a greek misprint of kamilos ('camel') instead of kamêlos, meaning 'cable, rope' as some manuscripts have it.
It could also be that "the needle" is a 5 or 6 inch carpet rope (sorry, I can't remember the exact term for that. In Matthew the "needle" is a rafic. In Luke it is a belone. (sp) Again, experts disagree.
3. Arameic scholars (my friend is a proffesor at a private college and has a PHD in Arameic and Hebrew) claims that "gamla" means a rope of some sort made of camel hair.
4. The logical explanation for most people is that it is a simple hyperbole. When you read the Bible, look for literary devices, and this ceirtanly is a hyperbole. Talmud and other Hebrew literature is filled with similar devices.
It's much easier to figure out if you know the language and literary styles, but a basic knowledge of literature/ writing/ composition and a Greek/ Hebrew Bible dictionary should do the trick.
Anyway, sorry to interupt your "Bible- bashing thread." Please continue.
Stefan
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Nobody really knows for sure what "camel through the eye of a needle." I'd discuss each theory, but it's probably not going to do any good since your mind is probably already made up, but here are basic theories summed up:
Anyway, sorry to interupt your "Bible- bashing thread." Please continue.
Stefan
This isn't a Bible bashing thread, we're merely discussing a Biblical metaphor. I'm well aware of all those theories, but I like subscribe to the 2nd one.
Of course you will always discount anything that flies in the face of what you believe.
Not everything on here is confrontational, so stop acting so childish.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Last edited by Krangthebrain; March 31st, 2004 at 09:10 PM.
Stefan believes that any meaningful questioning of the Bible is "Bible bashing".
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
I noticed this in another topic but it was so long that I thought I would start a new thread. Someone mentioned that this was miswritten. I thought I remember it being explained to me that what people misinterpet is the meaning of the needle. A needle back in those times often represented the arches that the greeks and romans had.
Stefan's four reasons are at the forefront of scholarship in what is meant by that verse. The important thing is - and I don't know if Krang remembers this lengthy discussion because he did concede this point - it doesn't really matter which metaphor you choose to use - the same principle can still be drawn from the passage and no meaning is lost.
Shawn
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Stefan's four reasons are at the forefront of scholarship in what is meant by that verse. The important thing is - and I don't know if Krang remembers this lengthy discussion because he did concede this point - it doesn't really matter which metaphor you choose to use - the same principle can still be drawn from the passage and no meaning is lost.
Shawn
Well, I didn't have to concede anything, it's not like I'm on a mission to destroy the Bible.
The meaning is the same whether it's rope or camel, or whatever...
It's extremely hard for a rich man to get into heaven.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Well what I was thinking was one is impossible and one is difficult. I think it might be more difficult for a rich man to get into heaven but not impossible.
This isn't a Bible bashing thread, we're merely discussing a Biblical metaphor. I'm well aware of all those theories, but I like subscribe to the 2nd one.
Of course you will always discount anything that flies in the face of what you believe.
Not everything on here is confrontational, so stop acting so childish.
Actually, I thought Stefan explained it rather thoroughly and quite accurately. Sure, he didn't have to put that Bible bashing thread comment in, but otherwise he did a bang up job.
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