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Old July 17th, 2007, 10:33 AM   #46
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You,my friend, are the one wearing the tin foil hat. You are the one who didn't even know what Moveon.org was!!!. Remember that? You had never even heard of PNAC!!. Not to mention your complete lack of knowledge of the logistics of government. Your comments regarding Cindy Sheehan being elected to speaker-of-the-house by the American public were quite telling with regard to your lack of basic governmental knowledge. (FYI: The House of Reps votes on who becomes speaker, not the American public). Perhaps a basic civics course could be of utility to you. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the free speech, but be prepared to be called on your rhetoric.

And, by the way, if you were to actually read any one of the various downloadable publications on PNAC's website, the only inaccuracy about your statement above would be the smoke-filled room. Unfortunately, I would bet that the only books on your bedside table are "Godless" by Mann Coulter and "Deliver Us From Evil" by Sean "The Baby Jesus" Hannity.
Excuse me for not knowing about a left-wing website, that I could care less about.

What comments about Cindy Sheehan being elected to speaker of the house by the American public? Please show me these comments, I'll wait. Heck just tell me what thread these supposed comments are in and I'll go do the work for you.

I don't go to the PNAC website or Moveon.org or read Hannity. You see I don't like the extreme on either side so I don't bother to read their rhetoric. And I don't believe in shadow government conspiracies either. I'm sure there is stuff going on behind closed doors. But the level of which things like the PNAC theories claim I can't swallow.
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Old July 17th, 2007, 10:47 AM   #47
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Really? Because I consider it lazy to make a claim and then when others ask you to backup your claim you refuse and tell them to do it themselves.
Well, you asked for it. This should keep you busy for a few days, if you even bother to read the articles. BTW, a few weeks ago you asked me for some relevant political readings. I gave them to you. Did you bother reading those?

http://www.democracynow.org/article..../05/14/1426254

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/08/0080696

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.2...tion.Fraud.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0813-29.htm

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-22.htm

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1174115.stm

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2007/03/14/

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0703/S00213.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031801077.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051301106.html

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/975
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Excuse me for not knowing about a left-wing website, that I could care less about.

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Couldn't care less about.
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Couldn't care less about.
Typos, grammar, and spelling attacks on an internet messageboard are as weak as you can get.
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Typos, grammar, and spelling attacks on an internet messageboard are as weak as you can get.
That was none of the above. It was a malaprop. I stand falsely accused.
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So I read most of the articles you posted. And I've read a whole bunch of accusations from both sides of election tampering. The Republicians are accusing the Democrats and vice versa.

But that's all I read. Accusations and mud slinging. Nothing has been proven. It sure as hell looks bad and you have to believe that some really shady crap has gone down. But for me to take something as fact it has to be proven. IE: Convictions in a court of law.
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http://www.democracynow.org/article..../05/14/1426254

Investigative Journalist Greg Palast Reports on the Firing of New Mexico Attorney David Iglesias

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2005/08/0080696

On Election Day, exit poll interviewers submit their results to Edison/Mitofsky three times, during regularly scheduled “calls,” the last of which comes shortly before the close of the polls. These results do not contain official vote numbers, which is important.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/04.2...tion.Fraud.htm

The state and six other counties remain in the case brought by the NAACP and four other groups who sued in a dispute that grew out of the long-uncertain results of Florida's vote for president.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0813-29.htm

The fact that few in Congress are complaining about fraud is an indication of the totality to which both parties accept the status quo of a money based elections system. Neither party wants to further undermine public confidence in the American "democratic" process (over 80 millions eligible voters refused to vote in 2004).

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1118-22.htm

Possible Election Fraud
Thom Hartmann (thom at thomhartmann.com) is a Project Censored Award-winning best-selling author and host of a nationally syndicated daily progressive talk show. www.thomhartmann.com His most recent books are "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight," "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights," "We The People: A Call To Take Back America," and "What Would Jefferson Do?: A Return To Democracy."

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0310/S00211.htm

The problem is its going to be very hard to collect enough data to really know what happened. The card isn't corrupt so we can't post-mortem it (its not mort).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/events/newsnight/1174115.stm


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I thought I voted for Al Gore but unfortunately I voted for Pat Buchanan, and I wasn't happy about that, because I am a Jewish voter and he would have been the last person in the world I would have voted for. PALAST:
Whacky butterfly ballots caused thousands in this Democrat town to accidentally mess up and they were refused replacement ballots promised them by state law.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2007/03/14/

Sept. 7, 2004: New Mexico District Judge Robert Thompson rejects a request by Republicans to require first-time voters to present identification at the polls. He says, "The 11th-hour request by the plaintiffs creates the risk of substantially disrupting the public voting process, which far outweighs any potential harm to the plaintiffs." One of the plaintiffs in the case is the father of a 13-year-old boy whose name appeared on the voter registration rolls.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0703/S00213.htm

Sacked for Indicting Republicans
and Not Indicting Democrats?

There were no pre-election indictments by prosecutor Iglesias.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...031801077.html

Iglesias, a Republican, said in an interview that he and the U.S. attorney from Milwaukee, Steven M. Biskupic, were chosen as trainers because they were the only ones identified as having created task forces to examine allegations of voter fraud in the 2004 elections.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051301106.html

The behind-the-scenes maneuvering to replace U.S. attorneys viewed as weak on voter fraud, from state Republican parties to the White House, is one element of a nationwide partisan brawl over voting rights in recent years.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

although it would be unusual for an employee to ask about a specific precinct, preparing the machines for a recount was standard procedure and was done in all 41 counties where Triad handles vote counts. He added that he welcomed any investigation

http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/975
One precinct in Youngstown, Ohio, recorded a negative 25 million votes (that's not a typo)

Youngstown Mayor George M. McKelvey - the Democratic mayor of a very Democratic rust-belt city - endorsed President Bush for re-election Monday, calling him a "friend" and a "kind, caring, God-fearing man."


I just could not find the smoking gun, a ton of conjecture, a ton of allegations but very little in the way of proof... In many cases it seems to point to voter fraud but there seem to be just as many Republican voter concerns as there are Democratic ones. A negative 25 million votes in an area that is Democratically conservative... Which candidate would that have hurt? The Conservative or the Democrat?

I did not find the so called "proof" in those links... But it did keep me busy reading for a while
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