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I found this posted on another message board. What do you all think? Are both parties just posturing to make sure they don't get blamed for the "loss" in Iraq?
I think there is a good case study in a political application of game theory being played out in the House and Senate.
The Republicans' plans for '08 seem to be to shift the blame for the disaster in Iraq from the GOP to the Dems. The only way the GOP can try and pull that off is to goad the Dems into pulling the troops out so that the Dems can be blamed for the even-greater disaster that would most likely ensue once the troops leave.
The Democrats realize this GOP gameplan and are trying to not fall for the trap. They are trying to appease their constituencies by sounding like they are against the 'surge', but in reality, they want the 'surge' to take place because it will necessarily draw out an unpopular war even longer and will cause more blame and hatred to be placed on the GOP for the disaster that is Iraq. If the Dems do cut funding, then they could be blamed for not supporting the troops and causing defeat, so the Dems don't really want to do that.
I predict that the Bush administration will continue the War in Iraq regardless of whether the surge works or doesn't work; the War in Iraq won't end until the Democrats make it end, at which point the Dems will have 'bought' the ultimate outcome in Iraq, which won't be good.
The Dems know this, and won't really try and end the War until just prior to the '08 elections.
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I found this posted on another message board. What do you all think? Are both parties just posturing to make sure they don't get blamed for the "loss" in Iraq? ...
There is enough blame to go around.
With that said - this is now and will always be viewed as a "Republican War" no matter the outcome.
With that said - this is now and will always be viewed as a "Republican War" no matter the outcome.
But let's say the troops are still there in 2008 and a Dem is elected President and pulls the troops out. Don't you think that the Dems will get attacked for "losing the war"?
But let's say the troops are still there in 2008 and a Dem is elected President and pulls the troops out. Don't you think that the Dems will get attacked for "losing the war"?
But let's say the troops are still there in 2008 and a Dem is elected President and pulls the troops out. Don't you think that the Dems will get attacked for "losing the war"?
No. The war is an utter disaster.
Clarification: The war is an utter disaster NOW. That much is clear. Pulling out in '08 will only be seen as cutting loses.
The Dems won't get blamed for the war, although I think if there was more partisan cooperation (from both sides) from the start and not as much political posturing, the outcome could have been improved.
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Clarification: The war is an utter disaster NOW. That much is clear. Pulling out in '08 will only be seen as cutting loses.
The Dems won't get blamed for the war, although I think if there was more partisan cooperation (from both sides) from the start and not as much political posturing, the outcome could have been improved.
But let's say the troops are still there in 2008 and a Dem is elected President and pulls the troops out. Don't you think that the Dems will get attacked for "losing the war"?
Yer corelating pulling out troops as automatically "losing the war".
If the war turns in a positive direction which leads to troops getting sent home - then the democrats will have an argument that it was because of better management.
How about we begin to worry less about blame and more about solutions?
Though I agree with you for the most part, I feel more that both should be happening. The blame game is important in the sense that we need to learn from this, we need to conclude what mistakes were made or we are doomed to repeat. Solutions would be nice too.
Though I agree with you for the most part, I feel more that both should be happening. The blame game is important in the sense that we need to learn from this, we need to conclude what mistakes were made or we are doomed to repeat. Solutions would be nice too.
No question that we need to understand what mistakes were made. My point was more to the political parties trying to deflect the blame, each to the other. The result - their energies are expended trying to cover their collective azzes instead of working on solutions.
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No question that we need to understand what mistakes were made. My point was more to the political parties trying to deflect the blame, each to the other. The result - their energies are expended trying to cover their collective azzes instead of working on solutions.
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