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Old April 8th, 2007, 11:20 PM   #1
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The final unbiased word on Bush's Iraq blunder...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070409/...ider_s_account


Insider: Missteps soured Iraqis on U.S.

By CHARLES J. HANLEY, AP Special Correspondent 4 minutes ago

NEW YORK - In a rueful reflection on what might have been, an Iraqi government insider details in 500 pages the U.S. occupation's "shocking" mismanagement of his country — a performance so bad, he writes, that by 2007 Iraqis had "turned their backs on their would-be liberators."

"The corroded and corrupt state of Saddam was replaced by the corroded, inefficient, incompetent and corrupt state of the new order," Ali A. Allawi concludes in "The Occupation of
Iraq," newly published by Yale University Press.

Allawi writes with authority as a member of that "new order," having served as Iraq's trade, defense and finance minister at various times since 2003. As a former academic, at Oxford University before the U.S.-British invasion of Iraq, he also writes with unusual detachment.

The U.S.- and British-educated engineer and financier is the first senior Iraqi official to look back at book length on his country's four-year ordeal. It's an unsparing look at failures both American and Iraqi, an account in which the word "ignorance" crops up repeatedly.

First came the "monumental ignorance" of those in Washington pushing for war in 2002 without "the faintest idea" of Iraq's realities. "More perceptive people knew instinctively that the invasion of Iraq would open up the great fissures in Iraqi society," he writes.

What followed was the "rank amateurism and swaggering arrogance" of the occupation, under L. Paul Bremer's Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA), which took big steps with little consultation with Iraqis, steps Allawi and many others see as blunders:

• The Americans disbanded Iraq's army, which Allawi said could have helped quell a rising insurgency in 2003. Instead, hundreds of thousands of demobilized, angry men became a recruiting pool for the resistance.

• Purging tens of thousands of members of toppled President
Saddam Hussein's Baath party — from government, school faculties and elsewhere — left Iraq short on experienced hands at a crucial time.

• An order consolidating decentralized bank accounts at the Finance Ministry bogged down operations of Iraq's many state-owned enterprises.

• The CPA's focus on private enterprise allowed the "commercial gangs" of Saddam's day to monopolize business.

• Its free-trade policy allowed looted Iraqi capital equipment to be spirited away across borders.

• The CPA perpetuated Saddam's fuel subsidies, selling gasoline at giveaway prices and draining the budget.

In his 2006 memoir of the occupation, Bremer wrote that senior U.S. generals wanted to recall elements of the old Iraqi army in 2003, but were rebuffed by the Bush administration. Bremer complained generally that his authority was undermined by Washington's "micromanagement."

Although Allawi, a cousin of Ayad Allawi, Iraq's prime minister in 2004, is a member of a secularist Shiite Muslim political grouping, his well-researched book betrays little partisanship.

On U.S. reconstruction failures — in electricity, health care and other areas documented by Washington's own auditors — Allawi writes that the Americans' "insipid retelling of `success' stories" merely hid "the huge black hole that lay underneath."

For their part, U.S. officials have often largely blamed Iraq's explosive violence for the failures of reconstruction and poor governance.

The author has been instrumental since 2005 in publicizing extensive corruption within Iraq's "new order," including an $800-million Defense Ministry scandal. Under Saddam, he writes, the secret police kept would-be plunderers in check better than the U.S. occupiers have done.

As 2007 began, Allawi concludes, "America's only allies in Iraq were those who sought to manipulate the great power to their narrow advantage. It might have been otherwise."
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Old April 8th, 2007, 11:31 PM   #2
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Unbiased?!?!? Are you kidding me?!?!? These are facts!!! Don't you know that facts have an inherently liberal bias!!!!

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Old April 9th, 2007, 06:39 AM   #3
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Iraqis call for U.S. forces to leave


further evidence of the mess.

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Iraqis call for U.S. forces to leave

By Khaled Farhan 1 hour, 53 minutes ago

NAJAF, Iraq (Reuters) - Tens of thousands of people waving Iraqi flags staged a peaceful rally in the southern city of Najaf on Monday to demand the withdrawal of U.S. forces, four years to the day since Baghdad fell to invading American troops.


The streets of the Iraqi capital itself were largely empty after authorities clamped a 24-hour ban on vehicles to prevent any terrorism attacks, especially car bombings.

The anniversary comes as Iraq's Shi'ite-led government is trying to avert full-scale civil war between majority Shi'ites and minority Sunnis who were dominant under Saddam Hussein.

U.S. and Iraqi forces have launched a major crackdown in Baghdad, epicenter of the violence.

U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad Rear Admiral Mark Fox said that four years ago U.S.-led forces had "liberated Iraq from Saddam's republic of fear."

"While there have been substantial accomplishments, the first four years have also been disappointing, frustrating and increasingly dangerous in many parts of Iraq," he told a news briefing.

The protesters in Najaf were responding to a call by powerful anti-American cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, who blames the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in March 2003 for the country's woes and wants a timetable set for a U.S. troop withdrawal.

Waving dozens of red, white and back Iraqi flags, marchers choked the seven km-long road between Najaf and neighboring Kufa and clogged the streets leading to Sadrayn Square, the main rallying point in Najaf.

Many had come by bus and car from Baghdad and Shi'ite towns and cities in the south.

Sadr was not at the rally. He has been keeping a low profile since the Baghdad crackdown. The U.S. military says he is in neighboring Iran, but his aides insist he is still in Iraq.

Washington accuses his Mehdi Army militia of fuelling sectarian violence and says it is now the biggest threat to peace in Iraq, a charge he denies.

SADDAM STATUE

Speaking against the backdrop of an Iraqi flag, a leading member of Sadr's movement, Abdelhadi al-Mohammadawi, called on U.S. forces to leave. His speech was interrupted by the periodic chorus of "Leave, leave occupier!" and "No, no, to the occupation."

"We demand the exit of the occupier and withdrawal of the last American soldier and we also reject the existence of any kind of military bases," he said.

U.S.
President George W. Bush has insisted U.S. troops will not leave until Iraqis can take over security and has repeatedly rejected setting a timetable for withdrawal.

While Iraq has a new U.S.-trained army, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki's government is still heavily dependent on American firepower and logistical support to combat the Sunni insurgency. In November, the
U.N. Security Council renewed the mandate of the U.S.-led forces in Iraq until the end of 2007.

"This protest is our demand for sovereignty because we will not stay quiet on the issue. The Iraqi government can handle everything and there is no need for the occupiers to remain and continue killing innocents," said Mohammed Hamza from Baghdad.

Sadr, popular among Iraq's Shi'ite poor, led two uprisings against U.S. forces in 2004 but has since become a major political player. His movement holds a quarter of the seats in the ruling Shi'ite Alliance.

Four years ago to the day, the world watched as Iraqis, helped by U.S. soldiers, toppled Saddam's 20-foot (six-meter) statue in Baghdad's central Firdous Square. A crowd trampled over what was left of the statue and danced for joy.

Saddam had vowed to defeat the U.S.-led invasion launched on March 20, 2003, but his forces offered little resistance as U.S. forces thrust deep into the heart of the Iraqi capital.

By then the war had cost 96 American dead, 30 British dead and unknown thousands of Iraqi military and civilian casualties.

Four years on, those tolls have soared to more than 3,270 U.S. soldiers killed, 140 British soldiers, 124 from other nations, and tens of thousands of Iraqis. Ten U.S. soldiers were killed at the weekend.

(Additional reporting by Yara Bayoumy and Mussab Al-Khairalla in Baghdad)
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Old April 9th, 2007, 07:32 AM   #4
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A mostly garbage and biased piece that completely disregards the factual catch-22 we faced after conquering Iraq. We could not have left Bath party members in power, nor could we have done anything but dissolve the army. It would have been idiotic and suicidal to leave them in power, because there would have been no way of knowing who was loyal and who was not, and the establishment would have remained corrupt. Of course, after completely removing all the implements of the former regime, Iraq was left with a power vacuum, and the results are indeed what was described in the article.

This article is insinuous not because it is all lies, but because it distorts the truth so eloquently. The opening premise is flawed, but it gladly lists all the difficulties that arose from doing what needed to be done. Of course, the U.S. did flub the occupation, I think, but although I feel we could have done a better job, there was never any real hope of avoiding civil conflict there after the war. The best we could do was destroy the last vestiges of Saddam's machine and hope that whoever comes out on top in Iraq is better.
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