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Old September 13th, 2008, 10:18 AM   #1
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The 'Drill, baby, drill!' idiots....


http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/13/...ouse-drilling/


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No Energy Expert At Senate Hearing Willing To Say That Oil Drilling Is America’s Most Important Issue»
Yesterday, the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources held a Bipartisan Energy Summit featuring experts from MIT, Google, Shell, and others. At one point in the hearing, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-DE) tore into the energy protest House Republicans have been holding for the past several weeks. This political stunt was meant to demand a vote on oil drilling and “attack Democrats for leaving town” in August “without doing something to lower gas prices.”

After listening all the problems currently facing the country, Whitehouse asked the experts whether anyone thought drilling was the “number one issue” right now. Almost nine seconds went by with complete silence:

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WHITEHOUSE: Gentlemen, we’re in the middle of a near total mortgage system meltdown in this country. We have a health care system that burns 16 percent of our GDP, in which the Medicare liability alone has been estimated at $34 trillion. We’re burning $10 billion a month in Iraq.

This administration has run up $7.7 trillion in national debt, by our calculation. And there is worsening evidence every day of global warming, with worsening environmental and national security ramifications. In light of those conditions, do any of you seriously contend that drilling for more oil is the number one issue facing the American people today?

[NINE-SECOND SILENCE]

WHITEHOUSE: No, it doesn’t seem so.
House Republicans have spent the past month claiming that their political stunt was “America’s greatest hour” and the “2008 version of the Boston Tea Party.” Not only are they out of step with energy experts, but according to recent polls, the majority of the American public believes that the economy — not drilling — is the most important issue facing the nation. More here and here on why drilling isn’t the answer to lowering gas prices. (HT: Get Energy Smart)
3% of world oil reserves. 25% of world oil consumption. Do the math, morons....
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Old September 13th, 2008, 10:18 AM   #2
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As an aside, Whitehouse should one day be POTUS. That guy is a damned brilliant lion!!!!
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Old September 13th, 2008, 03:18 PM   #3
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Whether you agree with what he says or not, how cool would "President Whitehouse" sound?
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Old September 13th, 2008, 05:06 PM   #4
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Put Whitehouse in the White House!

Whitehouse for POTUS 2016!!!!
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Old September 13th, 2008, 05:22 PM   #5
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Whether you agree with what he says or not, how cool would "President Whitehouse" sound?
The "Whitehouse Whitehouse" would be up there, too.
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Old September 13th, 2008, 05:27 PM   #6
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Talk about a waste of time.
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Old September 14th, 2008, 01:17 AM   #7
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You won't get far telling the truth.

It's no accident Pubs want to run on drilling.

The economy is certainly out of the question and guns and gay marriage and terrurusts.

This guy basically laid out what should be the Democrats battle cry but no they just do something vauge like change, something easily co-opted unless it's defined.

The steady destruction of the dollar has more to do with the price of oil than drilling on our own land. Nevermind that the entire nation is getting robbed by elite bankers who ride off into the sunset after they've beached entire companies all the while we pickup the tab which most times includes hundreds of millions of dollars in a neat parting gift package they give themselves.

Never mind that some idiot thinks the Pubs stand for his rights, his values, his interests as they physically move all operations to Dubai and laugh at his soon to be poverty stricken ass.

We by God won't have Gay marriage in this nation even if I have to vote in the next dictator to make sure it never happens.

Them Democrats is evil, they hate my guns and they want them Gays to marry and all, heck they're scum, healthcare, I got that at the plant and oil, we need to drill for more oil, them Republicans want to drill for oil, heck yeah.

Yeah they want to drill alright, your wallet is a great start, you voted for em and they couldn't be happier to show you who they really work for, some rich guy with a garage the size of your entire house who couldn't give a flying rip about you, your guns, gay marriage or anything you'll ever care about except your money.
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Old September 14th, 2008, 05:31 AM   #8
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As an aside, Whitehouse should one day be POTUS. That guy is a damned brilliant lion!!!!
Not gonna happen. He is a " more attractive " Dennis Kucinich and Denny never had a chance. Brilliant legislators get put on ignore. Their party leaders consider them a liability and only use them to maintain a shred of credibility.

When Joe America, drives his Expedition/Hummer/Land Rover to 7-11 for a pack of smokes and a slurpee in between trips to the shore/lake/river, haulin' his fishin'boat/waverunners/ATVs, sees all that mystery oil lying on the ocean floor, his priority is Gas and Oil, baby. Gimme gas and oil


The Dumbing of America is complete. They don't get it and never will.
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Old September 15th, 2008, 06:20 AM   #9
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Sorry, while I can agree with the spirit of this little article I'm not really sure it makes sense. The economy is the most important issue to people right now. A huge part of that is the price of gas. I think we've all seen polls that show that a majority of Americans want more drilling. I suppose most of them think it will have an immediate impact on oil prices, which even the Bush administration can barely claim with a straight face. hell, it won't even have a significant impact on the price of gas in the future.

The only way this country is going to wean itself off oil is if the prices remain high. For this reason I like the high price, but then again I work from home and put 1000 miles or less on my van each year. It's really not fair for me to preach about driving less when I don't really have to go anywhere.

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Old September 15th, 2008, 08:52 AM   #10
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Sorry, while I can agree with the spirit of this little article I'm not really sure it makes sense. The economy is the most important issue to people right now. A huge part of that is the price of gas. I think we've all seen polls that show that a majority of Americans want more drilling. I suppose most of them think it will have an immediate impact on oil prices, which even the Bush administration can barely claim with a straight face. hell, it won't even have a significant impact on the price of gas in the future.

The only way this country is going to wean itself off oil is if the prices remain high. For this reason I like the high price, but then again I work from home and put 1000 miles or less on my van each year. It's really not fair for me to preach about driving less when I don't really have to go anywhere.

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I'm for more drilling and less dependence on foreign oil. We need to quit sending all our money overseas to foreign countries, a lot of whom don't like us anyway. It's obvious that we are going to need at least 20 years to convert away from oil with alternative sources, so we should start right now to allievate our huge import dollars which are wrecking our economy.
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I'm for more drilling and less dependence on foreign oil. We need to quit sending all our money overseas to foreign countries, a lot of whom don't like us anyway. It's obvious that we are going to need at least 20 years to convert away from oil with alternative sources, so we should start right now to allievate our huge import dollars which are wrecking our economy.
And the only argument I keep hearing against drilling is that it won't be an immediate fix. But I don't think it is supposed to be an immediate fix but rather simply one part of a long term solution. Had we started drilling more locally 10 years ago the amount of foreign dependency would have be greatly reduced.

The 20 years or so it will take to find a viable alternative, or alternative plan that will subsidize a long term existing plan could be bolstered with some local energy solutions at the 7 to 10 year mark.
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AAAAAAAArrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

The lunacy of the lack of understanding is totally overwhelming. How is offshore drilling going to help anything? It is global oil, in a global economy, with a global market. It won't be "our" oil.
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The lunacy of the lack of understanding is totally overwhelming.
It is, agreed, totally amazing. Global market and global economy being fed in very small increments by the U.S.

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It is global oil, in a global economy, with a global market. It won't be "our" oil.
A global economy and a global market would not be affected by a fairly substantial increase in supply from untapped or added U.S. resources? So are you saying that supply and demand does not work in a "global economy"?

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And the only argument I keep hearing against drilling is that it won't be an immediate fix.
We have to start somewhere. How the hell are we supposed to be able to utilize the oil we drill in "ten years," if we don't drill now?

(I know you agree with me. I'm responding to the ones that have the sentiment you mentioned.)
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You won't get far telling the truth.

It's no accident Pubs want to run on drilling.

The economy is certainly out of the question and guns and gay marriage and terrurusts.

This guy basically laid out what should be the Democrats battle cry but no they just do something vauge like change, something easily co-opted unless it's defined.

The steady destruction of the dollar has more to do with the price of oil than drilling on our own land. Nevermind that the entire nation is getting robbed by elite bankers who ride off into the sunset after they've beached entire companies all the while we pickup the tab which most times includes hundreds of millions of dollars in a neat parting gift package they give themselves.

Never mind that some idiot thinks the Pubs stand for his rights, his values, his interests as they physically move all operations to Dubai and laugh at his soon to be poverty stricken ass.

We by God won't have Gay marriage in this nation even if I have to vote in the next dictator to make sure it never happens.

Them Democrats is evil, they hate my guns and they want them Gays to marry and all, heck they're scum, healthcare, I got that at the plant and oil, we need to drill for more oil, them Republicans want to drill for oil, heck yeah.

Yeah they want to drill alright, your wallet is a great start, you voted for em and they couldn't be happier to show you who they really work for, some rich guy with a garage the size of your entire house who couldn't give a flying rip about you, your guns, gay marriage or anything you'll ever care about except your money.
Whats even more funny is how dellusional most of these people are.

Dems don't want to take your guns away. Trust us, if America was invaded we'd be holding the same amount of guns as repubs.

If a gay guy has sex with his husband, guess what, you won't see it.

If you see two gay guys kissing each other walking down the street, here's the reality, you aren't getting that guy arrested. It's illegal for gay marriage, but you stil can't stop that from happening....just like you can't stop a fat woman with an overhanging gut wearing a shirt that exposes her midriff. It occasionally happens, and people just have to deal with it. Hell I see fat woman in midriff 10x more often then seeing two guys kiss publicly.

And if you don't see it, then who cares. It's anti-republican to allow government to grow bigger and decide things in the bedroom. But strangely enough the dems who can't be trusted because they want big government, takes a small minded gov't approach there. Hmmm, so the practice of believing that dems are 'big government' as a fact, is really just misrepresenting decades old propaganda. Might be a reason why some of the newer propaganda isn't doing so well. Because it's propaganda on top of a layer of propaganda.

Or maybe the fact that cornering dems as a favor to oil companies about drilling is just b.s. They have the right to drill in almost every place, but decided not to do so.

Behind all of this I just found out that almost 500 workers have died in the last year on oil rigs in the gulf of mexico. Sounds pretty dangerous, and it doesn't get the job done. Why expand it?

They want oil and nuclear plants. Fine then build the nuke plants next to rich areas, and drill off the coast of the highest priced coastal areas.

We might do bailouts and might spend alot of your tax dollars. But you might want to know most of that goes for infrastructure so we don't have bridges collapsing in Minnesota, and levees failing in New Orleans.

Our tax and spend is to spend money on the little guy who is crushed by Walmart's of the world.

Or give people healthcare as a right not as a, 'you should've saved money' reminder to a guy who makes 7 bucks and hour and could never afford the 300k for his medical expenses.

Basically repubs spend as much (no...actually more) than dems, but spend it on the rich, not helping the poor, or making the investment into things that will make money or keep people safe like sound infrastructure.

So who is afraid of the big bad wolf? Apparently republicans and the average american enough to ruin America. Sad.
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