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Old July 7th, 2008, 01:07 PM   #1
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The Declaration of Independence


Would The Declaration of Independence be accepted as it is written today or would it be belittled for violating the separation of Church and State?
Would it ever have been ratified?

It starts off with “that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”. As you can see Creator is capitalized meaning God. Now he doesn’t specify from what following this God he is referring to but it has to be one of the few religions that believe that God is the Creator of them. Not to mention all the atheist and agnostics that are being discriminated against.

Then it ends with “with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence”. Witch is the sovereignty, superintendence, or agency of God over events in people's lives and throughout history. There is nothing more I can add that that.

Now how does it hold up to the 1st amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 01:26 PM   #2
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The Declaration of Independence did not create any laws and was written before the constitution. The only purpose of the document was to declare independence from Britain and was signed by the continental congress. It did not establish a national government and did not create any laws.

If you are asking if our elected officials would sign such an agreement to declare our independence from some entity, I would say yes.

I would guess that the vast majority of our elected officials do believe in a higher authority whether it is judeo/christian God, or some other deity and would probably argue that the document does not advocate in preference to any one religion but just acknowledges the belief in some higher being.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 01:30 PM   #3
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It likely wouldn't be written with that language in it, but I don't think it violates the first amendment, either.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 01:56 PM   #4
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Leave it to the evangelical Jefferson to breach the Church and State boundary!!!

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Old July 7th, 2008, 01:59 PM   #5
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If we're writing the DoI again - it means that we're in another period of Civil war. I assume that fact would trump the question of what a word or two inserted into it violates a document that they are declaring themselves independent of.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 02:21 PM   #6
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Reminds me of cool email received recently....


THE 4TH OF JULY

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men
who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors,
and tortured before they died.

Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned.
Two lost their sons serving in the Revolutionary Army;
another had two sons captured.

Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or
hardships of the Revolutionary War.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes,
and their sacred honor.

What kind of men were they?

Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists.
Eleven were merchants,
nine were farmers and large plantation owners;
men of means, well educated,
but they signed the Declaration of Independence
knowing full well that the penalty would be death if
they were captured.
Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and
trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the
British Navy. He sold his home and properties to
pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British
that he was forced to move his family almost constantly.
He served in the Congress without pay, and his family
was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him,
and poverty was his reward.

Vandals or soldiers looted the properties of Dillery, Hall, Clymer,
Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown , Thomas Nelson, Jr., noted that
the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson
home for his headquarters. He quietly urged General
George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed,
and Nelson died bankrupt.

Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed.
The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife's bedside as she was dying.
Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill
were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests
and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his
children vanished.
So, take a few minutes while enjoying your 4th of July holiday and
silently thank these patriots. It's not much to ask for the price they paid.

Remember: freedom is never free!

I hope you will show your support by sending this to as many
people as you can, please. It's time we get the word out that patriotism
is NOT a sin.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
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Old July 7th, 2008, 03:20 PM   #7
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It's also interesting to note that Jefferson was the chief proponent for America getting involved and supporting France in their own revolution against tyranny - while many (Washington, Hamilton, Adams) were against getting involved... Wonder what he would think of America today - and our engagement abroad...
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