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Old July 13th, 2003, 09:01 AM   #1
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The Christian Challenge:


Ok, it has been stated by several Christians on this board, that God's existence is provable. Well I want to hear the proof.

The proof must be held to the standards of science, not anecdotal evidence or evidence that isn't falsifiable. I want to be able to see the evidence, and be able to come to the same conclusion.
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Old July 13th, 2003, 10:28 AM   #2
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Old July 13th, 2003, 10:52 AM   #3
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Oh I agree, but some have claimed that God's existence is proveable.
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Old July 13th, 2003, 05:53 PM   #4
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Oh I agree, but some have claimed that God's existence is proveable.
Who claimed that? Christianity is founded on "faith". As Jesus said to the apostle Thomas:

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
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Old July 13th, 2003, 07:32 PM   #5
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Who claimed that? Christianity is founded on "faith". As Jesus said to the apostle Thomas:

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
Shawn and a few others.

It looks like you wouldn't make that claim.

(I do believe in God, but I know that God isn't "proveable")
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Old July 13th, 2003, 07:39 PM   #6
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Shawn and a few others.

It looks like you wouldn't make that claim.

(I do believe in God, but I know that God isn't "proveable")
I don't think Shawn ever said God is provable. And I know I didn't.

But I believe in him big time, and he's proven himself to me.

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Old July 13th, 2003, 09:49 PM   #7
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God exists, and I can prove it!

God just told me that you are not wearing any undergarments!

I know it is the truth, because God told me so.

If you say I am wrong, I will sue you for liable...so help me God!
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Old July 14th, 2003, 08:27 AM   #8
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Is this why you guys believe in Jesus so much?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0714/1580339.html

Former Cowboy sued over auto repair bill

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DALLAS -- Former Dallas Cowboys cornerback Deion Sanders is battling an automotive shop over what he says Jesus told him to pay for a repair bill.


The owner of the repair shop says Sanders wanted to pay only $1,500 of the $4,265.57 bill, saying that Jesus had informed him that was all he needed to pay.


"It's the 'Praise Jesus' discount,'' attorney Ed Edson told The Dallas Morning News in Monday's editions.


Edson said he has been trying to collect the bill from Sanders since 2001 on behalf of Phil Compton, the owner of the car repair business.


Through court filings, the player says the accusations are untrue. Sanders' attorney, Edmund Gomez, did not return a telephone call early Monday from The Associated Press.


The lawsuit was scheduled to go to trial later Monday before state District Judge Joe Cox in Dallas County civil court.


Anthony Montoya, a representative for Sanders, had contacted Compton and told him a 1961 Lincoln Continental convertible needed to be towed to his shop for repairs. The car had been repaired before by Compton.


Papers filed in his lawsuit stated that he and his mechanics installed a new radiator and thermostat, flushed the engine, repaired the car's electrical system and gauges, replaced the starter motor, removed contaminated fuel and rebuilt the carburetor. Mechanics for Magrathea Inc., Compton's company, had replaced gaskets and hoses.


Sanders had approved and Montoya had approved all the repairs, according to the lawsuit. But when the car was returned to the CBS sportscaster's home in Plano on Nov. 5, 2001, Compton said Pilar Sanders, the former Cowboy's wife, "answered the door, took the keys and invoices, started the car to make sure it was working and went back into the locked house, refusing to return the keys or invoices.''


Sanders' bodyguards and housekeepers then moved their cars in front of and behind the Lincoln so that it couldn't be towed back to the garage, the lawsuit stated.


When Sanders drove up, he refused to pay the invoice amount, handing Compton a $1,500 check and saying, "Praise Jesus ... I follow what in my heart I'm told to pay.''
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/2003/0714/1580339.html

Former Cowboy sued over auto repair bill
Darn it! I should have consulted with Jesus before buying my wife's new car! I bet I could have gotten a much lower interest rate.
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Old July 14th, 2003, 09:00 AM   #10
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Darn it! I should have consulted with Jesus before buying my wife's new car! I bet I could have gotten a much lower interest rate.
It's never too late - just tell the bank that you were told from a higher authority that you only want a 1% interest rate.
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Old July 14th, 2003, 10:02 AM   #11
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Well, I think you should wait for Shawn to get back.

1. Archeological evidence supports the Bible.
2. New Testament is reliable.
3. Prophecy.
etc...

Those are some things that we can prove. I will wait for Shawn to get back and let him run the show on this one.
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Well, I think you should wait for Shawn to get back.

1. Archeological evidence supports the Bible.
2. New Testament is reliable.
3. Prophecy.
etc...

Those are some things that we can prove. I will wait for Shawn to get back and let him run the show on this one.
1.) Archeological evidence supports some of the historical items in the Bible, yes. But you could also say that archeological evidence supports the fact that Muhammed actually lived - does that mean the Quran is the Word of God?

2) How is the New Testament reliable? In what way? Not attacking here, just wanting you to expound.
3) Prophecy - again, please expound.
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1.) Archeological evidence supports some of the historical items in the Bible, yes. But you could also say that archeological evidence supports the fact that Muhammed actually lived - does that mean the Quran is the Word of God?

2) How is the New Testament reliable? In what way? Not attacking here, just wanting you to expound.
3) Prophecy - again, please expound.
I don't have time right now, but I'll be glad to discuss this tonight or tommorow when I have more time.

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Old July 14th, 2003, 10:35 AM   #14
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So is my Honda....come over and start praying to it and giving it 10% of your wages....thou commands you

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So is my Honda....come over and start praying to it and giving it 10% of your wages....thou commands you
This is thread involving grown-ups Ryan, who want to have a serious discussion on this...can you leave the side comments out for now?

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