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July 14th, 2003, 04:28 PM
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Re: The Christian Challenge:
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Ok, it has been stated by several Christians on this board, that God's existence is provable. Well I want to hear the proof.
The proof must be held to the standards of science, not anecdotal evidence or evidence that isn't falsifiable. I want to be able to see the evidence, and be able to come to the same conclusion.
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Alright Krang here you go! This is undeniable proof that God exists!!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/bas.../God.Shammgod/
Well that was easy! 
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July 14th, 2003, 04:34 PM
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Re: Re: The Christian Challenge:
Nope....that's a Sham god! 
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
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July 14th, 2003, 04:40 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Ryanwb
Whoa, stop right there....God did not dictate this book to anyone, this is a collection of experiences of many different people through various points in time.
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with the words "Thus says the LORD", "This is the Word of God" written in it over 3,000 times in some form or another ... you might believe that the Bible is just a collection of experiences of many different people through various points of time (which I would then ask why does it all point to the same person -- Jesus Christ?) but they believed it to be the Word of God. Your post was about allowing mistakes to go undetected ... what you think of the Bible really means nothing. What the people who copied the Bible think mean everything.
Let's try to stay on topic please. 
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July 14th, 2003, 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Do you know what the significance of the fish symbol?
Christians in the Roman empire were persecuted. Many used codes that only other Christians would understand.
Revelations is an example of this. This isn't just MY beliefs, this is the beliefs of some who have researched this.
AND AGAIN....I BELIEVE IN GOD! I just don't believe the Biblical account fully. I believe that Jesus was the single greatest MAN that has ever lived. I believe that a Creator created this universe (but not like the Biblical account). I believe in the Golden rule....just to clarify.
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I recall reading the correct usage of the fish symbol in the early church. Yes, they were persecuted and that was a code they used to see if someone was a real christian or not. I believe the acient greek letters of fish was then used as an acronym for Jesus Christ, Son of God ... or something like that. The fish symbol was not just some arbitrary symbol they plucked out of the air to use.
Let's use your mockery of those scientists who believe in creation. Your reply was that just because a few foolish scienctists didn't believe the commonly accepted belief of evolution does not give any credence to their theories.
Yet, now you are backing a select few people who claimed to have studied Revelation as having the inside scoop on everyone else.
So, in reality it is not a question of majority rules is right for you, but who thinks like you is right.
Interesting. Got a link to these so called theologians?
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July 14th, 2003, 04:52 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Strong Bad
I recall reading the correct usage of the fish symbol in the early church. Yes, they were persecuted and that was a code they used to see if someone was a real christian or not. I believe the acient greek letters of fish was then used as an acronym for Jesus Christ, Son of God ... or something like that. The fish symbol was not just some arbitrary symbol they plucked out of the air to use.
Let's use your mockery of those scientists who believe in creation. Your reply was that just because a few foolish scienctists didn't believe the commonly accepted belief of evolution does not give any credence to their theories.
Yet, now you are backing a select few people who claimed to have studied Revelation as having the inside scoop on everyone else.
So, in reality it is not a question of majority rules is right for you, but who thinks like you is right.
Interesting. Got a link to these so called theologians?
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Did you read anything I have posted about technical difficulties?
And no I disagree with your view of this. I believe that everything should be INTREPRETED and not taken for FACEVALUE. Creationism is spawned by the people who don't want to question what the Bible has taught, even though Scientific data says otherwise.
Believing everything the Bible says as literal is not intrepreting.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
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July 14th, 2003, 04:54 PM
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Re: Passage from Revelations...
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Revelations 13:16-18
"....He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, to receive the mark on his right hand or on his forehead, (17) so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.....
(18 ) this calls for WISDOM. If anyone has insight, LET HIM CALCULATE the number of the beas, FOR IT IS A MAN'S NUMBER. HIS NUMBER IS 666.
So when did Satan become a MAN? And if you calculate (using wisdom and insight as the verse prescribes) the number of the beast you get a man's name: NERO.
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Man are you reaching out on that limb!
The Bible talks about Satan being able to appear as an angel of light. The Bible says that the Son of God appeared as a man. If those are true is it unthinkable of Satan appearing as a man?
Since you seem to know so much about Nero, did he ever give a mark to everyone on the right hand and forehead and only those bearing the mark could buy things?
No offense but how can one who does not believe Revelation and the rest of the Bible as being God's Word use wisdom and insight to mysteriously reveal Biblical and Revelational truth that only a very few have been able to uncover and only recently?
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July 14th, 2003, 04:57 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Did you read anything I have posted about technical difficulties?
And no I disagree with your view of this. I believe that everything should be INTREPRETED and not taken for FACEVALUE. Creationism is spawned by the people who don't want to question what the Bible has taught, even though Scientific data says otherwise.
Believing everything the Bible says as literal is not intrepreting.
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You believe ... the Bible quotes Jesus as believing something about the Days of Noah. With that quote Jesus believed that what was written about Noah really happened. And your belief is right while Jesus' belief was not?
You're right. Believing everything in the Bible as being literal is not interpreting. From what I have read about the Bible, the Bible is not to be interpreted by us. And also, there are plenty of times that the Bible does speak in a figurative style. The Bible is very clear when it is speaking figuratively though.
Last edited by Strong Bad; July 14th, 2003 at 04:59 PM.
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July 14th, 2003, 04:58 PM
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From DCTalk's "In My Mind's Eye"
Can you catch the wind?
(Can you see God? Have you ever seen Him? I've never seen the wind...I've seen the effects of the wind but I've never seen the wind...)
Can you see a breeze?
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July 14th, 2003, 04:59 PM
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Re: Re: Passage from Revelations...
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Originally posted by Strong Bad
Man are you reaching out on that limb!
The Bible talks about Satan being able to appear as an angel of light. The Bible says that the Son of God appeared as a man. If those are true is it unthinkable of Satan appearing as a man?
Since you seem to know so much about Nero, did he ever give a mark to everyone on the right hand and forehead and only those bearing the mark could buy things?
No offense but how can one who does not believe Revelation and the rest of the Bible as being God's Word use wisdom and insight to mysteriously reveal Biblical and Revelational truth that only a very few have been able to uncover and only recently?
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No the passage SAYS, and READ it again:
(18 ) this calls for WISDOM. If anyone has insight, LET HIM CALCULATE the number of the beas, FOR IT IS A MAN'S NUMBER. HIS NUMBER IS 666.
666 is the numerological equivalent of Nero. That's a fact.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
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July 14th, 2003, 05:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
From DCTalk's "In My Mind's Eye"
Can you catch the wind?
(Can you see God? Have you ever seen Him? I've never seen the wind...I've seen the effects of the wind but I've never seen the wind...)
Can you see a breeze?
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that's actually a quote from Billy Grahame. Same quote is in one of the books I have been reading on faith.
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July 14th, 2003, 05:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Strong Bad
that's actually a quote from Billy Grahame. Same quote is in one of the books I have been reading on faith.
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You mean Billy Graham?
Family friend of mine...
My uncle was good friends with his son.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
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July 14th, 2003, 05:02 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Passage from Revelations...
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
666 is the numerological equivalent of Nero. That's a fact.
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I have never seen this mentioned. Show me how Nero's numerological equivalent is 666? I will, wait until your technical difficulties have stopped. In the meantime, I don't believe you.
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July 14th, 2003, 05:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Brian in Mesa
From DCTalk's "In My Mind's Eye"
Can you catch the wind?
(Can you see God? Have you ever seen Him? I've never seen the wind...I've seen the effects of the wind but I've never seen the wind...)
Can you see a breeze?
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From My wife, "Have you seen your paycheck?"
Can you see your paycheck? I've seen the effects of my paycheck but I have never actually seen my paycheck 
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July 14th, 2003, 05:05 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Passage from Revelations...
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Originally posted by Strong Bad
I have never seen this mentioned. Show me how Nero's numerological equivalent is 666? I will, wait until your technical difficulties have stopped. In the meantime, I don't believe you.
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Well I could give a you know what if you believe me or not..
But here is one installment....
http://www.scholarscorner.com/eschaton/MarkBeast.html
The Meaning of the Beast in Historical Context
First of all, we must ask: "What is this beast and what worship does it entail?" The beast appears to be the worship of money or mammon personified in a global system of commerce. In the days of John, business contracts in Roman and Greek world were signed and sealed and introduced in the name of a god or deity. The trade or merchant guilds were dedicated to a particular god or deity, and one could only join the guild by swearing allegiance to the Greek or Roman god and goddess. This system of commerce, tied up in Rome, with the worship of the Roman Emperor as a god, meant that all Christians were effectively excluded from commerce by the very nature of the economic system. Christians could not sign contracts in the name of the divine emperor, Apollo, or any other demon deity. Without a signature or allegiance to this beastly system of economics, Christians couldn't join merchant guilds for business or trade. To consent to this form of commerce, to buy and sell, was to deny God and to worship man and a human system of economics as the god of your life! Those who did not submit could not buy or sell. John, it seems, had a very clear image of just who and what this beast was at the time he wrote the book. It wasn't all prophetic future, it was a real problem the Church was facing at the time. The Christians were being told to compromise their faith in order to secure their economic futures.
For the Jews, the number 6 represented the number of man. Man was created on the 6th day. At the time Revelation, the Roman Emperors, or Caesars, were considered divine beings. Citizens were required to prove their loyalty to the State by offering incense as a sacrifice of worship to the Emperor as a god of Rome. The number value of the alphabet of Nero Caesar's name added up to 666. Thus, this number was the number of a Man who symbolized all of man's rebellion against God by making himself to be a god and by requiring others to worship him.
My point is that the worship of the beast is the worship of a human being, swearing allegiance to a human being and a human system of government and economics as one's chief loyalty and object of devotion. Those who submit to this system have already received this mark of the beast, whether they receive it physically on their bodies or not.
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
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July 14th, 2003, 05:07 PM
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Quote:
Originally posted by Strong Bad
You believe ... the Bible quotes Jesus as believing something about the Days of Noah. With that quote Jesus believed that what was written about Noah really happened. And your belief is right while Jesus' belief was not?
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Matthew 24:37-39, Jesus said:
But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the Flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the Ark, and knew not until the Flood came, and took them all away, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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