The Christian Challenge: - Page 4

Strong Bad · July 14th, 2003, 01:11 PM

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Some Biblical scholars believe that Revelations should be taken out. It was a book lashing out at the Romans in secret code (hence calling Nero, 666 or the Beast).

Revelation was the book that got me started on my study of God and the Bible. In that study I never saw anyone say there was a connection between Nero and the Beats or the 666 thing.

Revelation is not a book lashing out at the Romans. It is a book written by one of the Apostles (John) on what he saw as he claimed God showed him. Because he had no understanding of the many things showed to him because they take place in the future, Revelation is a book with a lot of figurative language. The reader is not meant to try and decipher the code

of John's language but to understand and act on what is not figurative ... the lessons of Revelation.

Strong Bad · July 14th, 2003, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by Dback Jon
Actually, Ryan, there is no such thing as the rapture.

It was invented by a 1820's minister in Britian. Only fundamentals believe in the myth of the rapture. Lutherans, Catholics, Methodists, Epsicopals, etc do not.

The word Trinity never appears in the Bible, but the concept of the Trinity is well documednted in the Bible. Rapture is the same -- it never appears in the Bible but the concept is quite evident. John 14:1-3, 1 Corinthians 15:51-57 and 1 thessalonians 4:13-18 are just a few of the places where the Bible clearly speaks of what is known as The Rapture.

Ryanwb · July 14th, 2003, 01:27 PM

Have you ever bought a book from a book store, a nationally recognized book on the New York Times Bestseller's List, came home and read it....and found a spelling error?

what does this have to do with the bible? Well, that manuscript that you purchased as a hard bound copy was probably read 100 times before it hit the shelves by various people. The Author, editor, the author's agent....and nobody caught that spelling error but you, on your first read through the book.

My point is, it is highly probably that some recounts of activities linked to the Bible are not accurate, especially after 25-30 years after the death of Christ in which most people will agree it was written. Even a misspelled word could have been mistranslated, or an event that someone was not quite sure about could have had the holes filled in.

Strong Bad · July 14th, 2003, 01:57 PM

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Originally posted by Ryanwb
Have you ever bought a book from a book store, a nationally recognized book on the New York Times Bestseller's List, came home and read it....and found a spelling error?

what does this have to do with the bible? Well, that manuscript that you purchased as a hard bound copy was probably read 100 times before it hit the shelves by various people. The Author, editor, the author's agent....and nobody caught that spelling error but you, on your first read through the book.

My point is, it is highly probably that some recounts of activities linked to the Bible are not accurate, especially after 25-30 years after the death of Christ in which most people will agree it was written. Even a misspelled word could have been mistranslated, or an event that someone was not quite sure about could have had the holes filled in.

This very thought came up in my research. The scribes of the past whose job it was to copy the books and letters of the scriptures took their jobs very seriously. If a mistake was made, no matter how insignificant the entire copy was thrown out and the scribe started all from scratch.

Where your analogy breaks down is that the people who copied those books and letters believed they were copying the very words of God and therefore had to get things perfect. Editors and proof readers do not have the same mind-set or care.

Ryanwb · July 14th, 2003, 02:19 PM

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they were copying the very words of God

Whoa, stop right there....God did not dictate this book to anyone, this is a collection of experiences of many different people through various points in time.

Chandler Mike · July 14th, 2003, 02:22 PM

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Originally posted by Ryanwb
Whoa, stop right there....God did not dictate this book to anyone, this is a collection of experiences of many different people through various points in time.

Woah, stop right there...

You didn't even know that Revelations was part of the Bible...how do you expect us to believe you know that God didn't dictate this book to the authors?

God "breathed" the words of the Bible into the men that wrote it...so in essence, it is from God.

Mike

Krangthebrain · July 14th, 2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Wow, sounds like you've read a few too many conspiracy theory books, because that book was intended for BELIEVERS to know what would happen in the end times, not a way for someone to secretly "lash out" at the Romans, rotfl.

That sure seems like a lot of work to just "last out" at someone.

The main thing is, I believe the Bible is true, you don't, so that's why you have to find other, more "plausible" theories on what it really means, since there's no way it could be true.

Mike

Do you know what the significance of the fish symbol?

Christians in the Roman empire were persecuted. Many used codes that only other Christians would understand.

Revelations is an example of this. This isn't just MY beliefs, this is the beliefs of some who have researched this.

AND AGAIN....I BELIEVE IN GOD! I just don't believe the Biblical account fully. I believe that Jesus was the single greatest MAN that has ever lived. I believe that a Creator created this universe (but not like the Biblical account). I believe in the Golden rule....just to clarify.

Chandler Mike · July 14th, 2003, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Do you know what the significance of the fish symbol?

Christians in the Roman empire were persecuted. Many used codes that only other Christians would understand.

Revelations is an example of this. This isn't just MY beliefs, this is the beliefs of some who have researched this.

AND AGAIN....I BELIEVE IN GOD! I just don't believe the Biblical account fully. I believe that Jesus was the single greatest MAN that has ever lived. I believe that a Creator created this universe (but not like the Biblical account). I believe in the Golden rule....just to clarify.

It may be the beliefs of SOME who have studied it, but until today, I've NEVER heard that it's a codebook...

And you either believe the Bible or you don't...there is no halfway.

Mike

Krangthebrain · July 14th, 2003, 02:30 PM

THE NUMBER(s) OF THE BEAST

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Everybody knows that, according to Revelations, 666 is the mystical "Number of the Beast". Earlier in the year, Dave did a Humoroid on "the Beast", ending with "--And the Beast goes on... ". Little did he know... ;-)

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669 - Girlfriend of the Beast

664 & 668 - Next-door Neighbors of the Beast

667 - Across-the-Street Neighbor of the Beast

0.666 - Number of the Millibeast

-666 - Number of the Anti-Beast

/ 666 - Beast Common Denominator

1010011010 - Binary of the Beast

29A - Hex of the Beast

6, uh... what was that number again? - Number of the Blonde Beast

$699.25 - Price of the Beast plus 5% state sales tax

$722.61 - Price of the Beast plus Kingsport's sales tax (says something, 'eh?)

$656.66 - Walmart price of the Beast

$646.66 - Next week's Walmart price of the Beast

666k - Retirement plan of the Beast

666 mg - Recommended Minimum Daily Requirement of Beast

$6.66 - Price, per pound, of ground Beast.

Word v6.66 - Word Processor of the Beast

Windows '666 - Operating System of the Beast (but we knew that already)

DSM-666 (revised) - Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the Beast

25.806975 - Square Root of the Beast

443556 - The Beast^2

Krangthebrain · July 14th, 2003, 02:37 PM

Revelations 13:16-18

"....He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, to receive the mark on his right hand or on his forehead, (17) so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.....

(18 ) this calls for WISDOM. If anyone has insight, LET HIM CALCULATE the number of the beas, FOR IT IS A MAN'S NUMBER. HIS NUMBER IS 666.

So when did Satan become a MAN? And if you calculate (using wisdom and insight as the verse prescribes) the number of the beast you get a man's name: NERO.

Chandler Mike · July 14th, 2003, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Krangthebrain
Revelations 13:16-18

"....He also forced everyone, small and great, rich and poor, to receive the mark on his right hand or on his forehead, (17) so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of his name.....

(18 ) this calls for WISDOM. If anyone has insight, LET HIM CALCULATE the number of the beas, FOR IT IS A MAN'S NUMBER. HIS NUMBER IS 666.

So when did Satan become a MAN? And if you calculate (using wisdom and insight as the verse prescribes) the number of the beast you get a man's name: NERO.

A man will be the anti-christ, probably possessed somehow by Satan...but it will be a man.

Mike

jf-08 · July 14th, 2003, 02:42 PM

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Originally posted by Chandler Mike
It may be the beliefs of SOME who have studied it, but until today, I've NEVER heard that it's a codebook...

And you either believe the Bible or you don't...there is no halfway.

Mike

Mike have you ever seen Omega Code or Omega CodeII.

Purely fictional stories, but the Bible is decreed to be a forecaster of future events.

Chandler Mike · July 14th, 2003, 02:50 PM

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Originally posted by jkf296
Mike have you ever seen Omega Code or Omega CodeII.

Purely fictional stories, but the Bible is decreed to be a forecaster of future events.

Those movies are about the end times, and so yeah, I see it as a forecaster maybe.

I've read the Left Behind series, and that is pretty close to what I think will likely happen.

Mike

jf-08 · July 14th, 2003, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by Chandler Mike
Those movies are about the end times, and so yeah, I see it as a forecaster maybe.

I've read the Left Behind series, and that is pretty close to what I think will likely happen.

Mike

I have seen those books. Are they a good read?

Chandler Mike · July 14th, 2003, 02:56 PM

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Originally posted by jkf296
I have seen those books. Are they a good read?

Yeah, at least the first 3-4 are good, then they get somewhat busy and with lots of characters...

But the first one had me riveted to it for 5 days, I read it quick.

Mike

Kind of funny...

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