Ryanwb

My wife is a reformed Baptist, her family believes in that. Is Revelations a part of the "Bible" or was it added later, because when I was a kid, it wasn't there. Why are there different versions of the Bible such as King James, etc....what is viewed as the "correct" version

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Chandler Mike

Revelations has ALWAYS been there Ryan.

The different versions are just different translations...some use modern language so it's easier to understand, some use old English, like "thou", "thine", "thou art" etc., which is harder to understand.

Mike

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Ryanwb

I must have missed it or my parents wouldn't let me read it....hey my friends parents wouldn't let him read it.

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Dback Jon

The idea of the rapture does not exist in the Bible. The Second Coming, yes, but the mystical and sudden disaperance of believers before the Tribulation is an 1820's invention.

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justAndy

and i agree with that last post. Sometimes you (and I) will get a bit vehement and harsh making our points. Remember we are dealing with a very powerful mind virus, many people are infected as soon as they can comprehend the spoken word.
When I was 6, I begged to go to church with the neighbors. It was some kind of Baptist thing. The preacher yelled a lot and said we were all going to hell. I thought "hey - I'm just a little kid, I haven't done aything wrong!" Later I asked the Sunday School teacher "who made god?" and "Does the universe have an edge?" She seemed put off. I never asked to go back....

Krangthebrain

Think it's hogwash all you want but IN NUMEROLOGY 666 STANDS FOR NERO. That's a fact.

And the ancient world was very interested in numerology....

And I didn't say that Nero fullfilled anything, you are misreading my post. Nero WAS the beast, and Christianity DID prevail. The good king came (Constantine) and the western world became Christian.

Nero was a persecutor of Christians...

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Krangthebrain

Some Biblical scholars believe that Revelations should be taken out. It was a book lashing out at the Romans in secret code (hence calling Nero, 666 or the Beast).

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Chandler Mike

Well, I don't know about that, but the Bible clearly states that all the believers will be "caught" up, or "raptured" by God.

1 Thessalonians 4

"16) For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17) After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. "

Mike

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Northern Card

Try this.

Can there be a WATCH (a time piece) without a WATCH MAKER?

Or

Tell me what was there, one nano second before the BIG BANG?

Finally,

Albert Einstein as he viewed and studied the immutable forces of the unviverse, did so with a firm belief that there was a God..


I can't prove there is a God, but unless you can answer my first two points, you can't disprove...

In the end it's a matter of faith...

Chandler Mike

There have been lots of persecutors, but Revelations doesn't say the world will continue on like normal once "the beast" has been defeated.

The world will end, and a new heaven will be created on Earth for God's children...which obviously hasn't happened yet, so therefore the "beast" in Revelations does not mean Nero.

Maybe 666 translates to that, but that really doesn't mean a whole lot to me.

Mike

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Renz

The Old Testament is the 39 books of the Hebrew Bible, originally written in Hebrew, plus a few passages in Aramaic, and it also includes 7 other books, some of which are in Greek.

The New Testament is comprised of 27 books written in Greek.

The Catholic Bible combines the 39 books of the Hebrew Bible plus the 7 other books into the Old Testament. The Protestant Bible recognizes the 39 Books of the Hebrew Bible as the Old Testament and the other 7 books are categorized differently as the Apocryphals (sp?) or something like that.

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Chandler Mike

Wow, sounds like you've read a few too many conspiracy theory books, because that book was intended for BELIEVERS to know what would happen in the end times, not a way for someone to secretly "lash out" at the Romans, rotfl.

That sure seems like a lot of work to just "last out" at someone.

The main thing is, I believe the Bible is true, you don't, so that's why you have to find other, more "plausible" theories on what it really means, since there's no way it could be true.

Mike

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In response to A challenge to Christianity. I am not sure who said that God can be proven. But I do know that Jesus Christ can be proven, that he died on the cross and was raised from the dead. There were many accounts from non-biblical writers (One of the more famous is Josepheous SP?) most of who were Jewish Historians and all of their other books are counted on as Fact and reliable so these accounts should be too. Jesus was called a sorcerer by these same non-biblical writers implying that he was doing miracles or things that could not be explained.

Archeology has proven the Bible time and time again….Archeology has NEVER disproved anything in the Bible. There have been claims that it has but then there was a discovery to prove it…i.e. Troy.

As far as Prophecy, it was written LONG before Jesus lived. Where he would be born, how, what he would do, how he would die, and how he would be raised from the dead. All of the prophecies were fulfilled.

The New Testament is reliable in that some of the writers like Paul I think it was. Who wrote other documents before he wrote the Gospel and those documents are considered as fact and also considered well documented and investigated. The Gospels were written within 20 to 30 years of Christ’s death where as the Quran was written several hundred years after Muhammad lived.

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Renz

There were at least 5 "Herods" who were Jewish leaders in antiquity.

Herod the Great I
Herod the Great II
Herod Archelaus
Herod Antipas
Herod Agrippa

Herod Antipas was Jewish leader and ruler of Galilee and Peraea between 4 B.C. and 39 A.D. He is the man Jesus was referring to when he called Herod a "fox".

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And for anyone who likes to read, there is a book called "A Case for Christ" written by Lee Strobel. He was an athiest investigative reporter who's wife "found religion" and he was sick of it so he went out and interviewed experts on both sides of most of the big issues. Very good read even if you are not a believer. It will clear up some of these myths that people continue to attack Christianity with.

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