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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:29 PM   #241
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Actually that is the opposite of being Fundamentalist....

Fundys generally believe every word in the Bible is a fact.
Not true. Yes, they believe that the Bible is from God and accurate in what it says happened and will happen. But, people who take the Bible literally undertsand the difference between taking the Bible word for word and taking the Bible for what it means. The Bible often uses figurative language to describe many things.
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:30 PM   #242
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I love when people talk like this. It's pure irony.

They'll say they believe in "a god" that can do all things...but then they'll say that they don't really believe that the world was created in [six] days...or that a woman was created from a rib...
Believe it all you want. I'm happy for you.

But I don't have to believe in things that I perceive as myth in order to believe in God.
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:30 PM   #243
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Actually that is the opposite of being Fundamentalist....

Fundys generally believe every word in the Bible is a fact.
Well you responded to my response to you by talking about Christian Fundamentalists. Do you see what I was trying to get across to you?
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:31 PM   #244
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Krang - you can't have it both ways.

Either you believe Jesus is exactly who he said he was, or you believe he was a crazy man who just had some darn good ideas...
So you are going to tell me what I HAVE TO BELIEVE?

Ridiculous. And this is the attitude that made me give up Christianity.
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:32 PM   #245
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Yes there is a God that can have power over your reincarnation and where your "soul" goes but he can't perform miracles.
The God I believe in doesn't have to do miracles....his miracles are apparent in our own existence.
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:33 PM   #246
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So you are going to tell me what I HAVE TO BELIEVE?

Ridiculous. And this is the attitude that made me give up Christianity.
So what is it? Jesus was the way we should act AND he ran around lying to everyone?
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:33 PM   #247
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So you are going to tell me what I HAVE TO BELIEVE?

Ridiculous. And this is the attitude that made me give up Christianity.
Never saw BM say anyone has to believe. Just saw him say that you can't have it both ways in saying Jesus was a good and wise man but not the Son of God.
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:34 PM   #248
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How many times have you taken little bits and pieces of the Bible out of context and have been told that in such a case the Bible is speaking colorfully? Yet you continue to do it over and over and over and over again. How many times have they brought up the incomplete fossile record over and over and over and over again?
Oh but everything is "taken out of context".....

I swear, Creationists are obsessed with it. So obsessed that they do it all the time when quoting Scientists.
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:34 PM   #249
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Never saw BM say anyone has to believe. Just saw him say that you can't have it both ways in saying Jesus was a good and wise man but not the Son of God.
That's telling me what to believe.
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:35 PM   #250
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So what is it? Jesus was the way we should act AND he ran around lying to everyone?
Did I ever say lie? Don't put words in my mouth, you are much smarter than resorting to that.

I believe he was a man. Men can be mistaken.
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:36 PM   #251
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So you are going to tell me what I HAVE TO BELIEVE?

Ridiculous. And this is the attitude that made me give up Christianity.
You said it, not me.

You said that Jesus was only human, even though he said he was more. So you're either calling him crazy, or a liar, or both.

Then you said he is the way...

Do you always live your life by following the examples of crazy liars?
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:36 PM   #252
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Oh but everything is "taken out of context".....

I swear, Creationists are obsessed with it. So obsessed that they do it all the time when quoting Scientists.
Jesus Dying on the Cross is not taken out of context.
Jesus feeding thousands with some fish and bread was not taken out of context.
Jesus Healing the sick was not taken out of context.
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Someone earlier in this thread said that their was a contradiction because the Bible says that the Romans Killed Jesus but that other historical documents say that the Jews did...or the other way around.

I read the Gospel of John last night and the Jews actually turned Jesus over to the Romans to be killed since they had not authority to do so. So essentially both are right. The Jews turned Jesus over to be killed but the Romans acutally killed him.
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Old July 16th, 2003, 12:39 PM   #254
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You said it, not me.

You said that Jesus was only human, even though he said he was more. So you're either calling him crazy, or a liar, or both.

Then you said he is the way...

Do you always live your life by following the examples of crazy liars?
No but from what you just wrote, you do. (just kidding).

Can you prove Jesus ever said he was the Son of God?
Nope. We know for a fact that Biblical writers attribute that to him (even though he had died long ago).
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Did I ever say lie? Don't put words in my mouth, you are much smarter than resorting to that.

I believe he was a man. Men can be mistaken.
I didn't put words in you mouth but if you do not believe that He is the Son of God then you must think he is a lier because he time and time again told people that he was the Son of God.
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