Chandler Mike

It might be...and if you like that one, then read Case for Faith...that will answer even more questions about Christianity...

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Krangthebrain

Well I found this that refutes that:

Quote: David Raup, Curator of Geology

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In the Jehovah's Witnesses book Life: How did it get here? (and in many other places) we find the quote:

...we have even fewer examples of evolutionary transition than we had in Darwin's time. By this I mean that some of the classic cases of darwinian change in the fossil record, such as the evolution of the horse in North America, have had to be discarded or modified as a result of more detailed information...
David M. Raup, Field Museum of Natural History Bulletin Vol. 50 #1 (January 1979) p. 25

I'm sure that Dr. Raup knew his fossils. But wait: just how did he finish that last sentence?

- what appeared to be a nice simple progression when relatively few data were available now appears to be much more complex and much less gradualistic.

What Raup is actually talking about is the fact that several "simple" sequences have turned out to be complex sequences. His article in no way attacks evolution: he assumes throughout that all species have a single common ancestor. His point is that gradual change by natural selection is not the only mechanism of evolution. He actually spends much of the article proposing an additional mechanism, surname extinction.
Since he wrote this article, there have been breakthroughs in the study of microfossils. So, his comment about the shortage of fossil series is out of date.

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Krangthebrain

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justAndy

"punctuauted evolution" - maybe a slightly different name. You have to read the newest research...

EndZone

So my original post was about Macro-evolution not Micro-evolution. The horse didn't start walking upright.

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Chandler Mike

The "17 EVIDENCES AGAINST EVOLUTION " was pretty informative...looks like a page that needs some reading into all the links it provides.

Mike

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The Biblical Flat Earth

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In several places in the Bible, the sky is referred to as a vault, with the stars stuck on it. Genesis 1 refers to water above this vault. (The Babylonian cosmology also placed water there.) The Book of Revelation states that the stars will someday fall out of the sky like figs from a tree. The Bible says little about the shape of the Earth, referring in one place to the "circle" of the Earth, and in another place to the "four corners" of the Earth. In one of the Gospels, the Devil tempted Jesus by taking him up a mountain where he could see "all the kingdoms of the world". The mountain is not named, but it is sometimes argued that this requires a flat earth. Similarly, in Daniel, there is a vision of a tree "visible to the earth's furthest bounds".

The Bible does indicate more clearly, however, that the Earth is motionless. Witness Joshua's telling the Sun (and not the Earth) to stop just so he could win one of his battles, and some of the Psalms that state that the Earth is motionless.

In all fairness, this cosmology was perfectly reasonable when the Old Testament was written. It wasn't until about 300 BC that the Greeks determined the shape of the earth, and measured its size. (The Greeks still had the Sun move around the Earth, though.)

There are fundamentalists who find all this to be compelling. I haven't found any of them the Web (sorry) but they do exist. They are aware of being scoffed at, but their particular 'literal' interpretation of the Bible is important to them.

The odd thing is that some Scientific Creationists don't repudiate these people. I mean, there are getting to be a lot of photos taken from outer space. It's spherical, guys.

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Chandler Mike

All that sounds like to me is poetry about things...heck, George W. could say to the Sun top stop so he could win a battle, and no one would think that he figured the Earth was flat...it's a figure of speech, poetry almost.

Mike

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Chandler Mike

How about this verse from Ecclesiastes?

"5) The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises. 6) The wind blows to the south and turns to the north;
round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. 7) All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again. "

Seems to me that God and the Bible had a pretty good understanding of weather and science...

The streams flow into the sea, yet it's never full...to the place the streams come from, there they return again...

That is speaking precisely about weather systems, how moisture from the ocean can be turned into storms that rain on the land, which flows into streams and back into the ocean.

Pretty scientific to me...and obviously that's something God had to tell someone to write, because NO ONE back then could possibly know how the weather worked.

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Krangthebrain

Hmmm....that's interesting.

I thought you took the Bible literally? Not to sound like a jerk, but do you only take things literally when it's convenient?

Jesus seeing "all the kingdoms of the Earth" from a mountain top, shows that Biblical writers thought the world was flat...

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Krangthebrain

The Aztecs had very accurate weather predictions and calendars....Humans are very intelligent and able to make those observations.

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Chandler Mike

There are clearly parables in the Bible, and things that are fact. I'm not picking and choosing...but some things people "say" in the Bible doesn't directly translate to LITERAL.

I mean, if Joshua was telling the Sun to stop, we're supposed to take that literally? Was he expecting it to? Or was he just frustrated and looking for hope?

Mike

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Krangthebrain

What about Jesus seeing all of the kindoms from a mountain top?

There are too many examples to write it off as figures of speech.

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Chandler Mike

Well, it was Satan and Jesus...and seeing as how he's God and all, maybe he could see all the kingdoms.

I dunno, it's really not truly important in the grand scheme of things. Not that I'm just blowing over something that I can't explain, but it could be many things.

Mike

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That doesn't explain the weather at all. It just says the water flows in to the sea and ends up back where it started. I can say I put the key in the ignition, turn it, and the car starts. That doesn't explain how though.

That really wasn't a scientific example at all. They don't mention evaporation, aquafirs the realtion to rain and weater systems. They are basically saying it's just by miracle of God that the seas don't overfill. They had no real understanding of what was happening at all. How about the part obout the sun rises and sets than hurries back to where it came from? That's not how it works. Earth revolves around the sun. We see the sun rise and fall because of the rotation of the planet. So they had that part horribly wrong.

6) The wind blows to the south and turns to the north;
round and round it goes, ever returning on its course.

So tell me how accurate that is. The wind just blows around in a circle?

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