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Originally posted by schutd (and I dont accept entertainment, because entertainment at the expense of others, wittingly or unwittingly, is exploitation)
Exploitation? For wittingly doing something?
If a comedian gets up in front of you at a club, tries to be funny, but you just laugh at how stupid his act is, is that exploitation because he wittingly decided to get up in front of a crowd of people?
How is that different than these "disgusting" realty shows you are talking about.
If people want to get up and try to entertain America, I think we're taking ourselves a little too seriously if we can't laugh along with them.
Mike
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Survivor is not as exploitative, per se. And I can see how te human interaction and their subsequent reactions can be intriguing, but the promotion of that show is still as such that they are pushing the engle of "see who screws over who next week" and I think thats what the VAST majority of viewers are attracted to that show by. The devious angle. Hence, I think its a lame show.
DOnt get me started on their version of "reality" and how controlled I believe that reality is. Show me the cutting room floor. THATS reality.
The rest of those types of shows, like The Bachelor, and that new one with the idiots in the masks, are truly a sign of the coming of the apocalypse.
Laugh all you want, but since the beginning of the talk show craze, these shows have illustrating the degrading of western society. Survivor at first was part of the game show craze, then it just deteriorated into a competitive soap opera. Idol was much the same way.
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Originally posted by Chaplin Laugh all you want, but since the beginning of the talk show craze, these shows have illustrating the degrading of western society. Survivor at first was part of the game show craze, then it just deteriorated into a competitive soap opera. Idol was much the same way.
And I'll bet any amount of money you want that you're talking out your butt ()...have you even watched these shows to KNOW that they deteriorated?
Survivor has been true to itself, it has basically been the same show since it's inception except for changes to keep it fresh.
Originally posted by Chandler Mike And I'll bet any amount of money you want that you're talking out your butt ()...have you even watched these shows to KNOW that they deteriorated?
Survivor has been true to itself, it has basically been the same show since it's inception except for changes to keep it fresh.
Mike
Mike - we all know that Chaplin watched Survivor every week - along with American Idol, Mr. Personality, etc. In fact, Chaplin has applied for the next Ms. Bachelorette to be one of the lucky contestants.
Originally posted by Dback Jon Mike - we all know that Chaplin watched Survivor every week - along with American Idol, Mr. Personality, etc. In fact, Chaplin has applied for the next Ms. Bachelorette to be one of the lucky contestants.
Applied??? I'm going to win that damn contest my friends!
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After sifting through the crap in your post, the premise in which you state is simply wrong:
"You are deluded if you think there is any real moral difference from one politician to another."
The only way this statement can be correct is if you know all the politicians personally. Now of course you can have this as your opinion, but you cannot make this statement and have it be correct without the already mentioned requirement.
We both claim that Clinton's immorality is clear. You claim Bush's immorality is clear. Not planting tress is not immoral. Where has Bush been immoral?
And so you are aware, I am not a republican. I am not a democrat. My vote is not given blindly just because of the political party. I vote for the person I believe will do the best job of running my country. I am not saying that Bush is better Clinton because Bush hasn't had sex with an intern. I am asking for you to provide me with some sort of evidence that Bush's morals are no better.
We both claim that Clinton's immorality is clear. You claim Bush's immorality is clear. Not planting tress is not immoral. Where has Bush been immoral?
Lying to Congress and the American People is immoral, IMHO.
Bush has done that many times.
Originally posted by Strong Bad Reading is FUN-damental.
It sure is, "Govener".
After sifting through the crap in your post, the premise in which you state is simply wrong:
"You are deluded if you think there is any real moral difference from one politician to another."
The only way this statement can be correct is if you know all the politicians personally. Now of course you can have this as your opinion, but you cannot make this statement and have it be correct without the already mentioned requirement.
We both claim that Clinton's immorality is clear. You claim Bush's immorality is clear. Not planting tress is not immoral. Where has Bush been immoral?
And so you are aware, I am not a republican. I am not a democrat. My vote is not given blindly just because of the political party. I vote for the person I believe will do the best job of running my country. I am not saying that Bush is better Clinton because Bush hasn't had sex with an intern. I am asking for you to provide me with some sort of evidence that Bush's morals are no better.
Well I was a Republican Precinct Commiteeman for several years.
This was during the years of Grant Woods and Fife Symington, so you might understand why I have a somewhat jaded view of politics.
Have you done any grassroot work? Been to any major political conventions?
I can say that at one point in my life, I was extremely active in politics, until I found out how dirty it is.
In fact, the most honest politician I have met is John McCain, and his credibility is frequently in doubt...but at least he shoots straight with you in person.
As to planting "tress" (look I can point out your spelling errors too! Whee!) and more...
Giving Taxpayer money to fund big business' destruction and lack of restoration of our national resources is very immoral in my book. Certainly more than bagging some fat intern.
Using your friends in OPEC to keep gas prices at obscene levels despite a reduction in crude oil prices to nearly pre-war levels is immoral.
Do you remember one of Bush's early concepts? It was to use Social Security to bolster the stock market. To "allow" people to invest their money back into big business.
Within a year the stock market crashed.
Insinuating that Iraq has ties to Al-Queda repeatedly while presenting no proof of said ties...n fact, even the organization itself listed Hussien as one of it's enemies because he does not follow the "true holy path". This was done solely to change the opinion of the masses to your side. Disinformation is immoral.
Sending men to war, when you used your families political power to avoid serving in the US Armed Forces is very immoral. Donning the flight suit of a military that you refused to serve because it aids your political aspirations is insulting to every person who has served in the US Armed Forces (Like me).
But perhaps we have different ideas about morality.
I am sorry, but Bush's is very immoral in my eyes.
You call that being schooled? "Tress" instead of "trees" -- an "s" instead of an "e". "Govener" instead of "Governor" -- is the "o" anywhere near the "e" and where did the "n" go? Yes, I must have been schooled. I don't even recall being schooled on the other thread.
Tom Daschel stated this weekend on Meet The Press that the Iraqi war was well worth it since it removed a person who supported terrorism.
Using one's family position to avoid werving in a war and later sending others to fight is neither moral nor immoral.
Giving Taxpayer money to fund big business' destruction and lack of restoration of our national resources is neither moral nor immoral.
Using your friends in OPEC to keep gas prices at obscene levels despite a reduction in crude oil prices to nearly pre-war levels is neither moral nor immoral.
Seems you need to understand the difference between moral, immoral and what you don't like.
Now the other things you mentioned, the inteional misleading and such is immoral. I will agree with you on those points.
Last edited by Strong Bad; May 12th, 2003 at 04:41 PM.
)...have you even watched these shows to KNOW that they deteriorated?
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