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Old June 26th, 2003, 10:21 AM   #1
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Supreme Court strikes down Texas sodomy law


Supreme Court strikes down Texas sodomy law
Thursday, June 26, 2003 Posted: 12:48 PM EDT (1648 GMT)



Ruth Harlow: "Historic day for gay Anericans."



WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Supreme Court struck down a Texas ban on gay sex Thursday, ruling that the law was an unconstitutional violation of privacy.

The justices voted 6-3 in striking down the Texas law, saying it violated due process guarantees.

"The petitioners are entitled to respect for their private lives," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the court's majority. "The state cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime."

Gay rights advocates immediately hailed the decision, while religious conservatives condemned it. In a blistering dissent, Justice Antonin Scalia said the court "has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda."

"It is clear from this that the court has taken sides in the culture war, departing from its role in assuring, as neutral observer, that the democratic rules of engagement are observed," wrote Scalia, joined by Chief Justice William Rehnquist and Justice Clarence Thomas.

The ruling stemmed from the 1998 arrest of two Houston men, John Geddes Lawrence and Tyron Garner, under a 28-year-old Texas law making same-sex intercourse a crime. The court found that law and others like it violated the due process clause of the 14th Amendment.

"It's an historic day for gay Americans," said Ruth Harlow of the Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, a gay-rights group representing the two Texas men. "I think Americans will be celebratory about this decision."

Lawrence told reporters Thursday that he and Garner were happy with the outcome, but "never chose to be public figures or to take on this fight."

"Not only does this ruling let us get on with our lives, but it opens the door for gay people all over the country to be treated equally," he said.

The ruling reverses a 1986 high court ruling upholding state anti-sodomy laws. Kennedy wrote that homosexuals have "the full right to engage in their conduct without intervention of the government."

The case stemmed from the 1998 arrest of a gay Houston couple under a 28-year-old Texas law making it a crime to engage in same-sex intercourse. A Texas state appeals court found the law "advances a legitimate state interest, namely, preserving public morals."

Gay rights advocates argued the law legitimized discrimination against homosexuals in everyday life.

"This is a very strong ruling that we all, as individuals -- whether gay or straight -- have the liberty to choose who we'll love and how we'll do that in the privacy of our own homes," Harlow said.


Rev. Rob Shenck: Ruling is "an undermining of our concept of justice."
In 1986, the Supreme Court upheld the prosecution of two gay men under a Georgia anti-sodomy law in a 5-4 decision that focused on the right to privacy. In Thursday's ruling, Kennedy said that decision "was not correct when it was decided, and it is not correct today."

"The court is just catching up with American society, which has already recognized gay people's equal liberty, equal humanity," Harlow said. "And the court issued a very powerful decision itself recognizing that humanity."

But the ruling immediately drew fire from a spokesman for a religious conservative group, the National Clergy Council.

"The court has said today that morality -- matters of right and wrong behavior -- do not matter in the law," said the Rev. Rob Shenck, one of the group's founders. "That is an undermining of our concept of justice in this country."

The Texas case already has entered the national political debate, stirred by May comments from Sen. Rick Santorum, a member of the Senate's Republican leadership.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Santorum said if the justices overturned the Texas law, "then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery, you have the right to anything."

Santorum defended his remarks, but some fellow Republicans distanced themselves from them.

The majority opinion appears to cover similar laws in 12 other states and reverses a 1986 high court ruling upholding sodomy laws. Kennedy wrote that homosexuals have "the full right to engage in private conduct without government intervention."

Justices John Paul Stevens, David Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer agreed with Kennedy in full. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor agreed with the outcome of the case but not all of Kennedy's rationale.

Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and justices Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas dissented.

"The court has largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda," Scalia wrote for the three, according to the AP. He took the unusual step of reading his dissent from the bench.

"The court has taken sides in the culture war," Scalia said, adding that he has "nothing against homosexuals."

The case is Lawrence and Garner v. Texas, case no. 02-0102).
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Of course, Renquist, Scalia, and his puppet Thomas dissented.
I guess those three still don't believe in Equal Rights for all Americans.
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Old June 26th, 2003, 10:25 AM   #3
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Of course, Renquist, Scalia, and his puppet Thomas dissented.
I guess those three still don't believe in Equal Rights for all Americans.
Thomas is a tool.
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Oh boy, here comes the slippery slope.
Can't wait to see what comes next.

All I can say is: "Santarum for president in 2008!"
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Old June 26th, 2003, 12:14 PM   #6
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Oh boy, here comes the slippery slope.
Can't wait to see what comes next.

All I can say is: "Santarum for president in 2008!"
You and Scalia - predicting the end of the world because of this.

Like Scalia, you are in the minority on this - even Arizona repealed it's sodomy law several years ago. Seems like only conservatives are interested in what goes on in someones bedroom.
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Old June 26th, 2003, 12:20 PM   #7
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You and Scalia - predicting the end of the world because of this.

Like Scalia, you are in the minority on this - even Arizona repealed it's sodomy law several years ago. Seems like only conservatives are interested in what goes on in someones bedroom.
Just because somebody is in the minority, does not necessarily means they are wrong.

This decision sets a very dangerous example, and it will lead so some sick future decisions.

I am, however, happy that there are still three judges with decent moral standards. This isn't over!

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Just because somebody is in the minority, does not necessarily means they are wrong.

This decision sets a very dangerous example, and it will lead so some sick future decisions.

I am, however, happy that there are still three judges with decent moral standards. This isn't over!

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In this psychology class I took in college, my professor showed us some studies that suggested a large majority of individuals who were stoutly ANTI-homosexual were infact harboring homosexual thoughts and feelings.
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In this psychology class I took in college, my professor showed us some studies that suggested a large majority of individuals who were stoutly ANTI-homosexual were infact harboring homosexual thoughts and feelings.
I've heard of the same study....it was done in the early1900s (1930s or 40s?).

Some people just like to condemn or hate others that are different, and believe that there is a narrow box that we all have to fit in. Personally, I'm not attracted to men, but if others choose to be, I totally support them.

My girlfriend is a self-proclaimed "fag hag" (sorry if that offends anyone). Her best friend is gay, and she regularly goes to Amsterdams and Hamburger Marys. I'm totally cool with it, and I would like her to have MORE gay friends.
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Just because somebody is in the minority, does not necessarily means they are wrong.

This decision sets a very dangerous example, and it will lead so some sick future decisions.

I am, however, happy that there are still three judges with decent moral standards. This isn't over!

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How is this a dangerous example? That the government has no place in the bedroom when it involves consenting adults???

If there was true justice, it would have been 9-0. Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas allowed their personal opinions to override what should have been a no-brainer decision.
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...you live by your rules - fine - i don't care what you do.
The majority of Americans are becoming more tolerant of people who are different.
Whose business is it what lovers of all types do in private?
I know you believe in the bible to some degree or another; do you believe in human slavery and the oppression of women? Genocide? - the Hebrews slaughtered entire rival tribes because their violent god told them to.
F*** Judeo Christian morals and customs as a basis for law.
I am a nihilist, but i have empathy AND a sense of right and wrong, no DAMN bible needed!
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