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Old July 2nd, 2003, 01:39 PM   #121
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... some people are afraid of a gay teacher for their kids. Fact is, the vast majority of pedophiles are SECRET homos - fronting as straight, married or maybe catholic priests. Openly gay men have places to go to get what they want....
Do you seriously think those freaks out there raping 2, 3, 4 year old girls are just secretly gay?? I'd say they have a lot bigger issues.

Do you have proof of studies that pedophiles=homosexuals? I'd think a lot of pedophiles were once victims themselves and it's just a vicious cycle of abuse... or that it's a control issue for them, just like how rape is usually about the control and not the sex itself.
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Old July 2nd, 2003, 02:00 PM   #122
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... true, i was not considering the WHOLE phenomenon of pedophilia. Maybe more accurate to point out that the US is the most repressive and bigoted in sexual matters of all the industrialized nations, AND had the highest incedence of sex crimes
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Old July 2nd, 2003, 02:46 PM   #123
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There is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Men like Men
Men like Women
Men like Both
Men like Animals (yuck)
Men like children (yuck)

Each group is usually exclusive. Most pedophiles never matured from liking children, to liking adults.

Example: When I was 10, I liked 10 year olds, but when I was 15, I no longer liked 10 year olds...
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 04:05 AM   #124
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The president appoints Supreme Court Justices, and there is really nothing to complain about. Whoever happens to be in the office appoints the judges.

I know that Rehnquist, O'Conner, Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy were appointed by republican presidents. Not Sure about the other four.
I know how the system works. My point being that most of the justices have been appointed by Republican Presidents. I find it laughable when the democrats complain about the new appointees.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 04:18 AM   #125
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There is no link between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Men like Men
Men like Women
Men like Both
Men like Animals (yuck)
Men like children (yuck)

Each group is usually exclusive. Most pedophiles never matured from liking children, to liking adults.

Example: When I was 10, I liked 10 year olds, but when I was 15, I no longer liked 10 year olds...
I have a question for you ... Homosexuals claim to be born as such. Where does that stop? What happens if pedophiles claim to be born as such? The American Cicl Liberties Union (ACLU) has already defended the first amendment rights of an organization that promotes a consenual sexual and non-sexual relationship between adult men and boys.

http://www.nambla1.de/

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NAMBLA's goal is to end the extreme oppression of men and boys in mutually consensual relationships by:

--building understanding and support for such relationships;
--educating the general public on the benevolent nature of man/boy love;
--cooperating with lesbian, gay, feminist, and other liberation movements;
--supporting the liberation of persons of all ages from sexual prejudice and oppression.
--Our membership is open to everyone sympathetic to man/boy love and personal freedom.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 05:42 AM   #126
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I have a question for you ... Homosexuals claim to be born as such. Where does that stop? What happens if pedophiles claim to be born as such?
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Wow, that is a very interesting question. If gays can refuse to take responsibility for their actions, why should anybody else?

Very good question indeed.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 05:45 AM   #127
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opk - that was a little harsh - sorry.


you said:
It's not your sexuality, but rather your worldview and philosophy.


Which implies that I could not leave my philosophy at the door - you would be afraid that I would somehow influence your kids to a view contrary to what you believed.

Which also indicates that you would only approve of a teacher that believed exactly as you do.
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You're a smart man, just read your argument and tell me if it really follows.

Just because I don't approve of a gay teacher, doesn't mean I don't approve of anybody who is not an Conservative Christian.

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Old July 3rd, 2003, 07:45 AM   #128
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Wow, that is a very interesting question. If gays can refuse to take responsibility for their actions, why should anybody else?

Very good question indeed.
How do you infer that gays refuse to take responsibility for their actions? What a crock. If anything, someone coming out is taking responsibilty for whom they are.

Why don't Christians take responsibility for their actions, instead of hiding behind 2000 year old pieces of paper?
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 08:00 AM   #129
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I have a question for you ... Homosexuals claim to be born as such. Where does that stop? What happens if pedophiles claim to be born as such? The American Cicl Liberties Union (ACLU) has already defended the first amendment rights of an organization that promotes a consenual sexual and non-sexual relationship between adult men and boys.

http://www.nambla1.de/
Well I couldn't care less.

Having sex with children is wrong, period, children aren't able to make mature, adult decisions. That's a huge difference.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 08:02 AM   #130
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Wow, that is a very interesting question. If gays can refuse to take responsibility for their actions, why should anybody else?

Very good question indeed.
How are gays refusing to take responsibility for their actions?


It's too adults, choosing their sexuality. This is a free country, despite what the religious right wants.

(I'm offended by your use of words).
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 08:04 AM   #131
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You're a smart man, just read your argument and tell me if it really follows.

Just because I don't approve of a gay teacher, doesn't mean I don't approve of anybody who is not an Conservative Christian.

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How would you know if a teacher is gay?

I've never had a public school teacher even talk about what political party they belong to. It's bad taste.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 08:29 AM   #132
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I have a question for you ... Homosexuals claim to be born as such. Where does that stop? What happens if pedophiles claim to be born as such? The American Cicl Liberties Union (ACLU) has already defended the first amendment rights of an organization that promotes a consenual sexual and non-sexual relationship between adult men and boys.

http://www.nambla1.de/
Sttong Bad,

Anyone should have free speech, it is when they try to put that speech into actions that one draws a line.

I am soooo sick and tired of conservatives, who have no other leg to stand on, bring out the pedophila or nambla card. It shows they have no arguement, and must then resort to scare tactics that are completed unrelated. It is pathetic.

Pedophiles are neither gay or straight. Nambla is not a gay organization.

Since you are making these spurious leaps, I quess I will make the leap and say that since there are self-proclaimed Christian churches that preach White Supremecy, then all Christian churches are guilty of being White Supremists, and should be equally held liable for the actions of said supremists. In fact, since some "Aryan Churches" have advocated and actually killed minorities, we should arrest every minister of any Christian church, and try them for murder.

Ridiculus, of course, but uses the same idiotic logic you are using.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 08:39 AM   #133
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Anyone should have free speech, it is when they try to put that speech into actions that one draws a line.

I am soooo sick and tired of conservatives, who have no other leg to stand on, bring out the pedophila or nambla card. It shows they have no arguement, and must then resort to scare tactics that are completed unrelated. It is pathetic.

Pedophiles are neither gay or straight. Nambla is not a gay organization.

Since you are making these spurious leaps, I quess I will make the leap and say that since there are self-proclaimed Christian churches that preach White Supremecy, then all Christian churches are guilty of being White Supremists, and should be equally held liable for the actions of said supremists. In fact, since some "Aryan Churches" have advocated and actually killed minorities, we should arrest every minister of any Christian church, and try them for murder.

Ridiculus, of course, but uses the same idiotic logic you are using.
Or why don't you also throw in abortion clinic bombings, Jon?

It really angers me when people try to make that leap, and it shows a total lack of understanding on this topic. Pedophiles are committing crimes, since children are incapable of making adult decisions. That line is clearly drawn, and should be drawn, and no reasonable person will argue that pedophiles should be able to have relationships with children.

Heck, if I had it my way, pedophiles from Nambla would be treated like the scum that they are, and thrown in mental institutions for the rest of their natural lives. But that isn't right, since members of Nambla supposedly haven't committed any crimes.

I can't wait until Science proves that homosexuality is biologically based. Right wingers won't have a leg to stand on. Every gay person I know, will say that they didn't choose to be gay, and I would think you would agree with that Jon.

For me, homosexuality is wrong, but for others it is not. I don't choose to be heterosexual, it is my nature, as it is the nature of those born homosexual. That's how I see it, and I will defend others who are in need of defense.
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First of all Jon I am not a conservative. NAMBLA states that the man/boy relationship is perfectly normal and even helpful. Why can homosexuals claim one thing and not NAMBLA? There is no difference to what the homosexuals claim and what NAMBLA claims.

I also disagree with you about everyone having freedom of speech. When someone uses freedom of speech in such a way that it is harmful to other people the freedom should be removed in those cases.

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That's not homosexuality?
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First of all Jon I am not a conservative. NAMBLA states that the man/boy relationship is perfectly normal and even helpful. Why can homosexuals claim one thing and not NAMBLA? There is no difference to what the homosexuals claim and what NAMBLA claims.

I also disagree with you about everyone having freedom of speech. When someone uses freedom of speech in such a way that it is harmful to other people the freedom should be removed in those cases.
I don't understand how you don't see the difference.

Men with men, two adults consenting.

Men with boys, one adult with a child.
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