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10th Amendment is worth about the paper it was written on at this point and nothing else. Yes, the fed government was supposed to be limited (primarily the fed govt was set up for international reasons) but that clearly isn' t the case. The intention of the 10th was for that, but like alot of amendments (ie freedom of speech, right to bear arms) the intention of those amendments has been skewed.
I disagree that states having the greater power would make us more free. I believe the opposite since essentially what you would be setting up is something akin to tribal states within the borders of a single country (Afghanistan anyone?). Not saying it would lead to violence per se but you cannot be sure. It may lead to state militias again which inecitably would lead to a conflict between states (history repeats itself).
I think the feds run the government pretty crappy but it really is the sanest way. The only way at this point to reverse the fed power is almost by armed civil war since the feds control so much of the money that comes to the states.
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain State's rights is a ruse, to blind people from the real issue. It has been used time and time again to hide injustice. Our rights have to be guaranteed by the federal govt. or the Bill of rights is meaningless.
historically you are right and history is a powerful teacher.
I am more worried today about the pendelum swinging the other way and the all-mighty federal government opressing the individual liberties of its citizens for some percieved threat or injustice. The past is the past, It sould be learned from. The civil rights of all our citizens should be protected. I am concerned about the future and the growing power of the federal government more than the potential trangressions of individual states.
To many people today think the government grants us our rights not the other way around. This is the real danger IMO.
Originally posted by SirChaz historically you are right and history is a powerful teacher.
I am more worried today about the pendelum swinging the other way and the all-mighty federal government opressing the individual liberties of its citizens for some percieved threat or injustice. The past is the past, It sould be learned from. The civil rights of all our citizens should be protected. I am concerned about the future and the growing power of the federal government more than the potential trangressions of individual states.
To many people today think the government grants us our rights not the other way around. This is the real danger IMO.
But the Federal govt. isn't an exclusive entity. If it were, I would probably agree with you.
It is an entity composed of the states. It purports the agenda that is good for us all, and I don't see how it could take away rights, except for legislation like the Patriot Act and Homeland Security.
The Patriot Act and Homeland Security have the potential to hurt our individual civil liberties, but I'm not worried.....I'm not involved with terrorists!
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ok, right wingers out there:
regarding the texas case, what about the 4th amendment? You know "no unreasonable search and seizure"?
in the dark ages when christianity ruled, oppressing homos was the mode. Times have changed. No one is trying to stop religious people from doing what they wish - as long as they don't try to trample the rights of us heathens.
As far as any health issue regarding homo behavior - AIDS is now most prevalent is IV drug abusers, and in many other countries it is prevalent among the hetoros.
There is no real justification for being against equal rights for all genders and sexualities, only unprovable BELIEFS in gods and afterlifes.
First of all, the cops who arrested two gays in Texas were answering a call about burglary. So, it's not the cops
fault. They were just doing their job.
As far as Federal Gov't and the States' right go, I believe that the Federal gov't should protect people from foreign invasion, and punish the criminals. Everything else should be left to the individual states.
Stefan
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As far as Federal Gov't and the States' right go, I believe that the Federal gov't should protect people from foreign invasion, and punish the criminals. Everything else should be left to the individual states.
Stefan
Not to sound like a dick, and I have tons of respect for you Stefan, but read a few history books.
The states have never protected the rights of citizens the way the federal govt. has. In fact, states have violated civil rights many times through the history of this country.
As a Southern, I'm damn glad that the Federal govt. has stepped in on issues such as this and the civil rights movement. If the Fed. hadn't stepped in, I doubt it would have ever come to fruition.
State's rights is a joke in my eyes. I could care less.
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my favorite thing about our country is that you and i coexist with almost polar opposite beliefs. Both of us contribute to society, i assume pay taxes, vote, take care of our friends and families.
I have the most radical opinions among the people i hang with. Somehow it works, i think because we are actually more similar than truly different from each other.
I really think that the federal governments has too much power. Power of federal government usually leads to some form of dictatorship.
Not here though. We have something called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to prevent that.
State's rights is a joke. History has proven that, and most of the time those who are "wrong" champion state's rights.
Good discussion!
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Originally posted by SirStefan32 I think the States rights is the essential element of freedom.
With all due respect:
How so? When has states rights ever protected our freedom or even been an essential element of freedom?
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Originally posted by SirStefan32 I think the States rights is the essential element of freedom.
Wrong, our National Laws superceed all state laws. As Krang said before, if the government hadn't stepped in a few times to straighten out some stupid states we would be light years behind where we are today.
The only way I can see States laws being the essential element of freedom is if you want: medicinal marijuana, certain guns, lottery, gambling, prostitution, etc.....
Originally posted by SirStefan32 Power of federal government usually leads to some form of dictatorship.
Here is why our nation will likely never have a dictator. The saying has always been never say never but the odds of a dictator taking control of the US is so remote as to be impossible.
First, most times, a dictator comes into power due to a massive power vacuum in the governemnt and nation. The way our federal government is set up, there are alot of "powerful" people running the show thus there really isn't a power vacuum in effect. Additionally, our legislative branch has power unlike the Parliaments or Congresses in countries run by dictators. The checks and balances would likely prevent any one person gaining ultimate control.
Second, many dictators achieve their power through coups which are done using the military. Our military would never allow themselves to be used to overthrow the government...JMHO. Thus any individual looking for pure power would have to assemble his/her own army in order to overthrow the government.
Which leads us to point 3: The media is way too strong in our country and there is no way a person could pull the wool over everyone's eyes. Oyr society has become Springerized. We want to tell our stories good and bad and we want to be the whistle-blower. People have this need to give their inside dish thus secrets are hard to keep.
Fourth, the US people simply wouldn't allow it to happen. No matter how bad things are, the US people always know things will get better. The US people are skeptical of politicians (and don't fool yourself, a dictator is a politician) and we are free thinking widely eductaed people who would no allow the wool to be pulled over our eyes by a person.
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain Not here though. We have something called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights to prevent that.
State's rights is a joke. History has proven that, and most of the time those who are "wrong" champion state's rights.
Good discussion!
One of the Bill of Rights is article 10. All powers not specifically granted to the federal government are reserved for the states.
Or do we just like some of the Bill of Rights?
Poor legal decisions led to the seperate but equal and other crap like that. Not "States Rights" exactly. You are arguing States can opress people but the Federal government can't.
You don't need a dictatorship to have an authorian regime.
I don't think our country will return to the past by restablishing some limits on the federal government. Lets learn from the past not dwell on it. The important issue is where we are going more than where we have been.
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