SirStefan32

That is exactly my point!
Homosexuality here is irrelevant. What concerns me is the real issue of privacy superceeding the law.

If what you do in your bedroom is not government's business, you can do heroin, fornicate, and do whatever you want, and there is not a thing the government can do about it.

This is a very dangerous territory now.

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SirStefan32

Does that same logic make you a closet- fundamental Christian?
Get real Ryan, some people just find homosexuality to be immoral.

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schutd

That might be a valid argument, but the fact of the matter is, we are at the core talking about two adults engaging in sex. SO homosexuality is part of this. If a defense attorney went to court and used the provacy argument for someone accused of shooting up, and whatever he'd be laughed out of the courtroom. Lets not get all paranoid here. The reason the privacy issus is to task here is we are discussing a behavior that while at one point may have been illegal, the point is, it shouldn't be. Lets not make more of this than necessary.

schutd

Awesome Stefan. You couldn't have retorted any better. Nice.

SirStefan32

I wish this was just about homosexuality. Nobody enforced the sodomy laws anyways, except for a few rednecks in South, so who the heck cares?

The problem is that right now, privacy becomes more important than the law. Also, we are talking about "two consenting adults."
This makes adultry and incest OK?

What I am saying is that this decision opened a door. What is behind that door, I do not know. I guess we will find out soon.
I just don't think anything good will come out of this.

Stefan

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Dback Jon

Stefan - so what would be your solution.
Do you believe that gays should have less rights than other Americans?

Is adultery even still against the law? or incest?

You have to remember to separate your morality from civil law. The two are not the same, which Scalia fails to realize.

Catholics consider anyone who divorces, then remarries without a church "annulment" to be committing adultery. Other churches do not consider this to be adultery. Whose morality should we use.

From a civil sense, adultery can be viewed as a breaking a legal contract (marriage). Breaking contracts are civil violations, which is why adultery has always been grounds for divorce (breaking the civil contract). Remember, it is not a church that sanctions a marriage in the US, it is the state, which makes it a civil, not moral law.

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justAndy

indeed - civil law, based somewhat on common sense priciples of consent (agewise included - teenagers having sex w/ ea. other is not like 35 yr. old men w/ 15 yr. old girls - see the mormons in AZ City), force, and harm in this and ONLY this world should be the basis for law.
Unprovable gods and afterworlds should have ABSOLUTELY no bearing in the law.
Hence any laws that have EVER existed regarding sexuality among consenting adults - adultery, homosexuality, and prostitution - that restricted human rights have ALWAYS been wrong.
NO BIBLE THUMPERS have a right to proscribe my actions with my partners!!!! I don't care if it was custom or tradition! There are a lot of horrific customs and traditions that are no longer practiced because as a civilazation have grown up a bit - just a little farther to go. My dream - a wasting away of organized religion and institutional racism....

Chandler Mike

Thanks, I typed that before I read your apology...so I'm sorry for going off like that.

Mike

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Krangthebrain

Hey don't mention it Mike.

I was acting like an ass, so I deserved to be treated like one!

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SirStefan32

First of all, I want to repeat once again, that in this case homosexuality is irrelevant.

You are not looking at the big picture Jon- privacy superceeding the law. Santarum figured it out long time ago- if you allow one group to do whatever they want, you can not stop somebody else.

I am not sure if incest is still against the law, but I am sure that it should be.

Decent people with high moral standards, such as Scalia and Santarum understand that you can not seperate morality from the law. If you do, you will create Sodom and Gomorah all over again.

To answer your question, my solution would be to uphold the Texas law. Marriage is a union between one man and one woman. Everything else, is sodomy. Listen Jon, nobody prosecutes that garbage anyway.

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Krangthebrain

What's the point of having sodomy against the law if no one prosecutes it? It doesn't make a lick of sense. I'm glad that the majority of the justices can see that.

And when some is actually prosecuted for it, is that justice?

I don't really think so.

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KingofCards

I agree.

Ryanwb

Nothing like discussing sodomy on a sports board that makes a man feel so alive

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Krangthebrain

Not one of my favorite topics...

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KingofCards

See this is where you are not looking at the big picture, Stefan.

It isn't privacy superceeding the law. This was about the law superceeding privacy.

We are talking about people behind their walls doing what should be legal activities. In Texas today they made it legal for consenting adults to have sex.

Rightwingers on this board have taken the party line on this subject and have tried to distort the result.

This, or any judgment of the type, is about allowing people to partake in legal activities behind the privacy of their homes.

Wayward and others compared the ruling to allowing molestation, incest, and biogamy a brand new defense. This is a rIduculous analogy. (please notice the "I")

Let me try and simplify it for you:


Legal activities behind closed doors: allowed.

Illegal activities behind closed doors: not allowed.


That being said. Today in Texas it became legal for men and women, of legal age, to have consentual sex, regardless of gender.

It might have been based on Privacy, but only in the context of doing legal things in the privacy of your home and changing an archaic law.


Sorry, but if you don't understand that, then you are blinded by one of many things. One being your Religion, two being your political party.


Oh and Sean, don't waste your time cutting and pasting my post. Readers saw it, they understand what I said, and it is insulting for you to try and take my words out of context.

Thanks in advance.

Tim.