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Here is one journal article, basic synopsis. I'll go and track down the article at Hayden Library this week:
A team of Canadian researchers announced results of a study that provides evidence of a significant difference between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men. ``This is showing that sexual orientation is part of something that is much bigger than just sexual reproductive behavior,'' said team member Dr. Sandra Witelson, a professor of psychiatry at McMaster University in Hamilton. The focus of the study, carried out at Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre in Toronto, was the corpus callosum, a fibrous structure connecting the hemispheres of the brain. It found that a segment that connects areas controlling some aspects of speech and perception was 13 per cent larger in gay men than in heterosexual males.
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Source: Maclean's, 11/28/94, Vol. 107 Issue 48, p41, 1p
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain I already have read about this study Stefan, so you don't have to be condescending.
Hey man, all I am saying is that pro- gay scientists and greoups will never tell you about the research that was done AFTER they reached the conclusion that homosexuality may be genetic. Dean Hamer, Kinsley, the list goes on and on and on, have all been proven wrong.
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Homosexual animals have shown brain chemistry differences also. Even though humans are quite different, the findings are very interesting:
Can sheep shed light on the roots of homosexuality among humans? That's what scientists at Oregon Health and Science University are suggesting with a study showing that male sheep who mate only with other rams exhibit different brain structures from “straight” sheep.
The Oregon team studied 27 sheep—10 ewes, nine rams that mated only with other rams, and eight rams that mated only with females. After watching the sheep to be sure of their behavior, they took apart their brains. They found that as in human brains, a certain part of the hypothalamus in a “gay” sheep's brain is smaller than that in a “straight” sheep.
The brain cells in this area manufacture an enzyme called aromatase, which is involved in the action of testosterone.
“It's not that gay men have lower levels of testosterone,” said lead researcher Charles Roselli. “And it's not the case with these sheep.” Roselli believes that exposure to hormones while still in the mother's womb may affect a fetus's brain and cause eventual differences in sexual orientation. More experiments will aim to show whether this is true.
Source: Advocate, 12/10/2002 Issue 878, p14, 1p
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26-year-old Saermengsi last season rated average 25.1 minutes, with 7.5 hours, 2.7 times and 2.7 backboard secondary attack, he Yifusen general as the replacement came in March Yifusen injuries ever period of time, three matches in a row, his secondary attack will reach 10. By Sun team, he could strengthen outer lane line, but also as the replacement fullback scored his general customary activities in the stadium two wings. On the season Saermengsi-ball hit rate reached 30%. He was in flames and Jones made a three-year teammate, Jones said that the organizers he pitches, but he can also shooting. His shooting is deceptive.
Originally posted by SirStefan32 Hey man, all I am saying is that pro- gay scientists and greoups will never tell you about the research that was done AFTER they reached the conclusion that homosexuality may be genetic. Dean Hamer, Kinsley, the list goes on and on and on, have all been proven wrong.
I know that, and I would never post anything without reading followups. I already read about the major problems with Hamer's work, how he manipulated statistics, and his research was already discredited.
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain Roselli believes that exposure to hormones while still in the mother's womb may affect a fetus's brain and cause eventual differences in sexual orientation. More experiments will aim to show whether this is true.
Source: Advocate, 12/10/2002 Issue 878, p14, 1p
That's fair enough. I don't have a problem with him believing anything, as long as he admits he can not prove it.
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain I know that, and I would never post anything without reading followups. I already read about the major problems with Hamer's work, how he manipulated statistics, and his research was already discredited.
Good work Krang! I can not tell you how many times people cited Hamer and Kinsley to me in debates. Nice to see that at least some people are doing the research.
Stefan
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Originally posted by SirStefan32 That's fair enough. I don't have a problem with him believing anything, as long as he admits he can not prove it.
Did it say that he could not prove it? No. That's dishonest of you to say that. He said that he thinks that it is possible and will do more study. Kind of like, you know, a hypothesis.
The more I read, the more it is clear to me, that it is extremely difficult at this point in time to prove it is biological. That doesn't mean it isn't and that there isn't proof that it very well could be biological. But technology isn't strong enough at this point in time to prove it beyond a shadow of doubt.
Another factor, that is apparent after reading TRUE academic works, is how much of it genetics, and how much of it is culture (or nurture)?
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Originally posted by SirStefan32 Good work Krang! I can not tell you how many times people cited Hamer and Kinsley to me in debates. Nice to see that at least some people are doing the research.
Stefan
I don't like to debate without having at least SOME research to go on. The strange thing: I can't find the research done on the hypothalmus (libido regulator). I read about it many years ago in a non-academic magazine (like Time or something) but can't find anything from academics on it.
Either it wasn't well received by the Scientific community, or it was already completely discredited. I wonder, but I will continue to try and find more.
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain Another factor, that is apparent after reading TRUE academic works, is how much of it genetics, and how much of it is culture (or nurture)?
Good point Krang. I have not studied this topic as much as evolution/ creation issue, but from what I have read and from talking to several gay friends, and some former homosexuals, I believe it is environmental/ psychological.
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Originally posted by SirStefan32 Good point Krang. I have not studied this topic as much as evolution/ creation issue, but from what I have read and from talking to several gay friends, and some former homosexuals, I believe it is environmental/ psychological.
I think that even if scientists found a gay gene, there would be heteros that had it, but for some reason it wasn't expressed.
Genes are crazy like that.
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain Theorize all you want, but the truth is, that you annoy me.
So by pointing out where your thinking assumes that someone's interpretation is actually a fact is annoying? So what.
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Originally posted by Krangthebrain Here is one journal article, basic synopsis. I'll go and track down the article at Hayden Library this week:
A team of Canadian researchers announced results of a study that provides evidence of a significant difference between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men. ``This is showing that sexual orientation is part of something that is much bigger than just sexual reproductive behavior,'' said team member Dr. Sandra Witelson, a professor of psychiatry at McMaster University in Hamilton. The focus of the study, carried out at Sunnybrook Health Sciences Centre in Toronto, was the corpus callosum, a fibrous structure connecting the hemispheres of the brain. It found that a segment that connects areas controlling some aspects of speech and perception was 13 per cent larger in gay men than in heterosexual males.
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Source: Maclean's, 11/28/94, Vol. 107 Issue 48, p41, 1p
Item: 9412137534
I am about to be annoying once again. Where is the data, evidence, fact whatever you want to call it that proves the difference in brains results in being homosexual? Where is the link to show that one of the brains will make you a homosexual?
Oh yeah, and your homosexual animal evidence ... they are animals ... they will their stones off on any one of their species who let them. I repeat, My dog likes to hump people's legs ... male and female legs ... what does that make my dog? Uncontrolablly horny ... and not a homosexual interspecies humping dog.
Originally posted by SirStefan32 Hey man, all I am saying is that pro- gay scientists and greoups will never tell you about the research that was done AFTER they reached the conclusion that homosexuality may be genetic. Dean Hamer, Kinsley, the list goes on and on and on, have all been proven wrong.
Originally posted by Krangthebrain Genes are crazy like that.
If genes are crazy like that - then there is no way science can determine what genes are associated to what disease or what behavior because then the gene is "acting" capriciously.
I'd hope that they are not "crazy like that".
Shawn
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Originally posted by FischerKing If genes are crazy like that - then there is no way science can determine what genes are associated to what disease or what behavior because then the gene is "acting" capriciously.
I'd hope that they are not "crazy like that".
Shawn
Genes for mental disorders and the like, are not always expressed even though they are present. Other factors are involved, which aren't necessarily known at this present juncture in time.
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Originally posted by Strong Bad So by pointing out where your thinking assumes that someone's interpretation is actually a fact is annoying? So what.
I am about to be annoying once again. Where is the data, evidence, fact whatever you want to call it that proves the difference in brains results in being homosexual? Where is the link to show that one of the brains will make you a homosexual?
Oh yeah, and your homosexual animal evidence ... they are animals ... they will their stones off on any one of their species who let them. I repeat, My dog likes to hump people's legs ... male and female legs ... what does that make my dog? Uncontrolablly horny ... and not a homosexual interspecies humping dog.
ANOTHER ATTEMPT BY STRONGBAD TO TWIST THE FACTS!
Obviously you know nothing about this study. There are HOMOSEXUAL RAMS. NOT HETEROSEXUAL, OR BISEXUAL, BUT HOMOSEXUAL.
The rams will ONLY have sex with OTHER RAMS, which makes them HOMOSEXUAL. Their brain chemistry is different than NORMAL HETEROSEXUAL RAMS.
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