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Old July 3rd, 2003, 05:57 PM   #181
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Hmmm.

All the biological classes I took discussed males and females and told how their "parts" were designed to go together.

Any variation other than male/female was said to be abnormal sexual behavior.

So, let's say you are right, for argument's sake, and that homosexuals are born the way they are. It would mean they were born with an abnormality.
Exactly!

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Old July 3rd, 2003, 05:58 PM   #182
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Hmmm.

All the biological classes I took discussed males and females and told how their "parts" were designed to go together.

Any variation other than male/female was said to be abnormal sexual behavior.

So, let's say you are right, for argument's sake, and that homosexuals are born the way they are. It would mean they were born with an abnormality.
Yes, if proven without a shadow of a doubt, would be an abnormality.

Christians: How would you react, if homosexuality is proven to be biological? Would you stick to your guns and believe exactly what the Bible said, or would you think that it wasn't wrong?

I mean this sincerely.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 05:58 PM   #183
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Exactly!

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What exactly does his post prove?
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:01 PM   #184
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And yes, the penis belongs with a vagina.

I won't dispute that. That's what I believe, but I don't condemn those who like it other ways.

In some ways, I do agree with you guys. But I agree on a personal level, not on a moral level, that homosexuality is wrong (for me).

Brian, Stefan, Strongbad, Mike, and Shawn.....I'm not attracted to you guys!
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:02 PM   #185
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Brian, Stefan, Strongbad, Mike, and Shawn.....I'm not attracted to you guys!
Boy, that's a relief
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:06 PM   #186
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Yes, if proven without a shadow of a doubt, would be an abnormality.

Christians: How would you react, if homosexuality is proven to be biological? Would you stick to your guns and believe exactly what the Bible said, or would you think that it wasn't wrong?

I mean this sincerely.
What if? It is never going to be proven beyond reasonable doubt, but if it were it would definitely be an interesting development.

The Bible is still going to say that it is a sin, therefore I still have to treat it as a sin. However, if it is a sickness, disability, abnormality, etc then you have to have some sympathy for it.

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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:07 PM   #187
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What exactly does his post prove?
That homosexuality is an abnormal, unnatural behavior.

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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:08 PM   #188
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This thread should probably just die.


Really, it's not like either side is really changing an opinion or anything, and pretty much every point anyone makes can be refuted somehow.


(Damn girlfriend. I'm in a fight with her right now, and I don't want to see her right now. So I'm couped up on my computer waiting until she is no longer mad at me.)
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:10 PM   #189
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That homosexuality is an abnormal, unnatural behavior.

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Nope. It is abnormal, but it hasn't been proven to be unnatural. More evidence has been found that points to it being natural than unnatural.

I agree on one part, but not on the other.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:10 PM   #190
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(Damn girlfriend. I'm in a fight with her right now, and I don't want to see her right now. So I'm couped up on my computer waiting until she is no longer mad at me.)
The fight with your girlfriend can be resolved quickly.

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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:13 PM   #191
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Nope. It is abnormal, but it hasn't been proven to be unnatural. More evidence has been found that points to it being natural than unnatural.

I agree on one part, but not on the other.
If male reproductive organ and the female reproductive organ are made for each other or "belong to each other" as you put it, then it is not natural.

As far as the fight goes, listen to the married one (Brian)- go apologize. Some flowers would help too. Works every time
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:13 PM   #192
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What if? It is never going to be proven beyond reasonable doubt, but if it were it would definitely be an interesting development.

The Bible is still going to say that it is a sin, therefore I still have to treat it as a sin. However, if it is a sickness, disability, abnormality, etc then you have to have some sympathy for it.

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Ah....you must have an amazing crystal ball Stefan.

Yeah and the Church used to say the same thing about the Earth being round (as the Bible clearly states that the Earth is not round).

As for your next point: Good to see that you will stick to your guns, but also realize that if it is proven that you have to have some sympathy.

I don't know how Jon or other homosexuals would feel about this, but I have extreme sympathy (not empathy ) for homosexuals. Many homosexuals would change it if the could.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:14 PM   #193
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The fight with your girlfriend can be resolved quickly.

Go admit you were wrong.

Oh I will.

I always do. But I have to give her a cool off period, or she will be a royal you know what.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:16 PM   #194
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If male reproductive organ and the female reproductive organ are made for each other or "belong to each other" as you put it, then it is not natural.

As far as the fight goes, listen to the married one (Brian)- go apologize. Some flowers would help too. Works every time
Not exactly what I meant. Yes, naturally penises belong with vaginas, but naturally people exist that aren't attracted to the genitalia that they are supposed to.

Sodomy, oral sex, and other non-intercourse forms of sex aren't natural, but the feelings are.
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Old July 3rd, 2003, 06:18 PM   #195
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As for your next point: Good to see that you will stick to your guns, but also realize that if it is proven that you have to have some sympathy.
I already have sympathy for them. (At least the ones with seriously screwed up background, like my friend Vanessa.
In a way, they are really not different from me. They are sinners and I am a sinner. Our sins are different, yet they are pretty much the same in God's eyes.
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