Krangthebrain

Not totally proven, but close to it.

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Krangthebrain

Mike is right that it hasn't been totally proven, but the evidence is pretty good. The part of the brain that regulates libido is smaller in all homosexuals that have been tested. That's a fact, but the problem is, almost all of those tested have died from AIDS (corpses).

But living homosexuals have been tested, and researchers found the same thing, so it is reasonable to assume that MAYBE (with a good certainty) it is the cause of homosexuality

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FischerKing

It's nice that we can agree upon the fact that pedophiles do need to be locked up from society where they can't get near children.

I don't think I can agree with the "100% accurate" assumption. I don't think anything is "100% accurate" when it comes to testing this or other types of addictive behavior. If it's man made, it can be broken or fooled - so that I don't buy.

We all seem to agree that grown adults and kids should not be involved in this type of activity - that it is unreasonable. What is not unreasonable is a discussion about it.

This whole thread was started by an observation that a law had been overturned. A law against sodomy. If there was a law against sodomy, that would indicate that at some point in the past it was considered a crime. Whatever the thinking was at that period of time when the law was instituted is obviously not the same thinking that would now overturn such a law. My point - and I believe Strong Bad's point as well - is not whether the law is just or unjust but that at one time people felt strongly enough to impose a law against a certain type of behavior. That behavior is now not viewed as a criminal activity by today's courts and society so it was overturned.

The parallel is that today pedophilia is totally wrong. You've even stated that states are now taking up the position to instill more legislation against this type of activity - harsher laws to deter people from engaging in it. However, the past has proven out that what outrages one generation of society can be embraced in future generations of people. Not saying that it will happen - but the possibility is there for it to happen as evidenced by the past.

The real danger comes when we just say that it won't happen and then sweep it under the rug and forget about it. It's at that point when those who are for it will slow gather a following of support.

The vicious cycle that is talked about - particularly among psychologists is where one spouse beats another and a child. The child grows up thinking that it's acceptable behavior to do likewise and so when they grow up they partake in that behavior. In a similar fashion is a child is molested they become involved in all sorts of deviant behavior that can lead to many unhealthy activities - one of them being pedophilia. So if that generation is not dealt with and they continue to molest a larger number of children, then the problem just gets more out of control. Eventually - those who engage are the ones making the laws. Obviously, other things have to happen before something like that would even be close to becoming legal. The teaching that it's okay, societies viewpoints would have to be "re-programmed", etc. This is not a quick process, if it were to happen. Again, I'm not saying that it will happen - but the potential is there and to ignore the potential is very dangerous in my opinion.

Shawn

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Chandler Mike

You can take this for what it's worth...

We had a guy who came to speak at our church. He was a homo-sexual, but was a non-practicing homo-sexual.

He spoke about how a large majority of homo-sexuals have backgrounds that probably had a large influence on their behavior. According to what he said, many homo-sexuals have rough childhoods, abuse, single parents, etc.

He was abused I think, and then lived with his mother growing up, which he says led to his lifestyle.

Now, I for one believed him, and he seemed to know what he was talking about, and he was homo-sexual.

Maybe not everyone has a background issue, but this guy said he's willing to bet that most homo-sexuals have had something happen in their childhood that made them go this way...and maybe they are more susceptible to going this way than others, who knows.

Anyways, that's just something I heard once...the guys message really hit me, he was a great speaker.

Mike

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Krangthebrain

There is a major problem with your last paragraph: Children who are molested, generally do not become molestors.

And homosexuality has been accepted, maybe not totally legally, for the past 30-40 years. After that amount of time, finally people with some sense, decided to change a law that was stupid (imo and obviously in the opinion of the majority of the Supreme Court) to begin with.

I will just have to disagree. The potential is not there, and there hasn't been a lick of proof otherwise. Show me one bit of proof that the general public, and more importantly in Congress and the Supreme Court, has changed their minds about pedophilia, and I will agree.

But the proof that society is getting LESS tolerant of pedophilia is everywhere, including the conviction of the man just a month ago (over 200 year sentence) for "only" having pictures.

So my position has evidence, and the other side has none.

Belief vs. evidence loses everytime.

He shoots he scores! Krang 1, Opponents 0.

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Chandler Mike

Do you not watch the news or read? Children who are molested CONSTANTLY grow up with major problems...be it homosexuality, identity issues, confidence issues, etc.

And I don't see how you're up 1-0, what scoring system are you using?



Mike

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Krangthebrain

I take anecdotal evidence with a grain of salt.

Again there IS some scientific evidence that shows it is biological. Sure, as Stefan and his former cohort said, a gay man can ignore his impulses. But that doesn't change the fact that he probably still has those impulses but ignores them.

And I do agree with Stefan, that it is a choice, but it is a choice made upon biological impulses, similar to the biological impulses that you and I get when we look at a naked woman.

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Krangthebrain

Ah...the news. A great source of information! And credible too.


Even more credible than College courses!

Just kidding Mike

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Chandler Mike

Maybe there is a bit of truth that some of us are built with more tendencies that way, but I'd be willing to bet that most of the time people have that brought out in them because of molestation, being babied by their single mothers, etc.

And I think it's funny that you take anecdotal evidence worth a grain of salt...considering there really is no scientific proof that homosexuals are born that way, you must be basing your opinions on something?

Mike

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FischerKing

...and then...

Krang - I like you. I like debating with etc. As a matter of fact you're one of the more enjoyable people on the board that I have conversations with. Saying all of that - you can't have it both ways here.

In one post you just can't wait until Science proves... - the implication that there is no proof. Then you want to take evidence over belief. Will the real "Krang's Opinion" please stand up? You want us to suspend our opinion in light of "blind" assumptions because you are waiting on the evidence to surface from science. Yet at the same time you attempt to negate our argument because of the "evidence".

That is inconsistant and unreasonable.

Shawn

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Krangthebrain

Maybe you haven't read much on it, but a study (as I said earlier) was done with cadavers of gay men that had died from AIDS. The study showed that, in every single one of them, the part of the brain that regulates libido (can't remember what it was called) was smaller, more like a womans.

The problem is: They all had AIDS. Not enough research has been done to determine if AIDS caused the smaller region. But the study has been done on a limited amount of living homosexuals and the same thing was noted.

Another problem: Not enough samples are available, or more appropriately, not too many people want their heads cut open and examined for the sake of science.

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Chandler Mike

That's exactly what I was trying to say in my last post, you just said more eloquently and with greater gusto

Mike

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Krangthebrain

Ah, but it is in the process of being proven. That is in no way saying there is no proof, actually it's the opposite of saying there isn't evidence (or proof).

And the evidence so far is consistent with homosexuality being biologically based. But as I said, it hasn't been proven without a shadow of a doubt, so it is still reasonable (somewhat) to think that it might not be.

I choose to believe the evidence presented so far. It is more certain that it is biological, than not biological from the evidence found.

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Brian in Mesa

Hmmm.

All the biological classes I took discussed males and females and told how their "parts" were designed to go together.

Any variation other than male/female was said to be abnormal sexual behavior.

So, let's say you are right, for argument's sake, and that homosexuals are born the way they are. It would mean they were born with an abnormality.

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